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| Quote | The Caveman Offline
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Posted: June 16 2008, 12:16
Eh what??Joking.I read the first biit.
Regarding why Mike did the caveman first i'd go with primal scream.If Mike was as depressed as he says then this would be a refectly reasonable way to get it all out.I've been dealing with depression for years and it IS a real illness,and when it's bad it really is horriffic.So the idea that he just wanted to scream his head off is perfectly OK.Ask anyone who's been there and sometimes screaming is an option.As for the sequels then why not?Worked once and whats TB without the caveman?
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Posted: June 16 2008, 13:46
Musicaly there`s quite a lot going on during The Piltdown Man section.Lots of different riffs and little appregios in there.And a lot of switching of moods and dynamics between the lighter and the darker theme.There`s a lot of playing off the drums/"rhythem section" here as well which also makes it kind of unique to the rest of the album.In fact that aspect of his playing/composition probably did`nt really resurface again until around the Platinum album.There`s a lot of spaces in the music itself to kind of will yourself into.
I`ve always really liked it myself.It does have a great sense of humour and feeling of fun to it.In an almost self-depreciating kind of way really.But at the same time you can pick all sorts of emotions and feelings from the "vocal" aspect of it.Frustration,an inabilty to communicate,the whole primal unleashing of the demons thing.I think that`s definetly there to me as well.But you know those are`nt exclusive emotions to Mike Oldfield.Imo he was fully aware of that when he done it.Overall though it does kind of make me feel good when I`m listening to it.Empathy through grunting!..
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It does make me wonder about the Piltdown Man section , whether it was done as a joke or if it's more serious. If the story about drinking whisky found in the basement of The Manor and also at the local pub is true then it would seem to say it was done with great frivolity, a darf drunken or stoned idea that worked really well. I do think Piltdown Man runs deeper than a drunken /stoned idea. If you liten to the 1971 Demo, there's the beginnings of Piltdown Man there I'm sure it ends with a scream, but I currently can't play it as my DVD remote control doesn't work, and I tried playing it on my PC but it wouldn't play as TB 2003 is copy protected.
Whilst I could believe that Piltdown Man developed as a result of a drunk en recording session, I do believe that Piltdown Man was born out of Mike trying to make sense of his feelings. Reading Mike's life story I do feel there's so much that could make anyone depressed, so I would go with Piltdown Man being Primal scream therapy, I think Mike knew that there was a feelgood factor to it a release of emotions, something he revisited with Ommadawn.
I do get the impression that some people think depression is not a real illness, (my Mum included) Maybe she thinks it will all be solved if I go out and getr a job, yes very well, but when you're anxious, and could easily slide down that slippery slope towards depression (on top of having a physical problem as yet undiagnosed), and you doubt your employability depression is not something you can just "snap out of".
| Quote | The Caveman Posted on June 16 2008, 14:00btw way i only noticed the other day that in Outcast on TBIII the voice in the middle says "Out demon out".So he still hadn't gotten shot of the demons in 98  |
Getting back to Mike's music, I find Outcast ROCKS   , that's another variation on Piltdown Man revisited that really works.
Could it be that Mike still had demons to exorcise in '98, well yes highly possible, with anxiety/depressive illnesses it doesn't nessecarily go away, causes for anxiety/depression may change. I'm wondering if "Out Demons Out" could be a tribute to the original Piltdown Man section, as Steve Broughton from The Edgar Broughton band played drums on TB , and EBB did a song "Out Demons Out" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSdSaV_t2Ts
ODO was a rant against politicians of the day in 1970. I know Mike recently expressed his dissatisfaction to this nanny state NuLabour government, maybe Outcast is a combination of these things.
Out Demons Out is still as relevent in 2008 as to what it was in 1970, there's a Liebour goverenment taxing working citizens to the hilt, whilst they enjoy a luxury lifestyle, jetting off in polluting aircraft, whilst hiking up petrol and diesel prices, and driving round in gas guzzling cars whilst taxing the motorist for global warming. I'm wondering if global warming is a myth to extort more money from motorists. Why is aviation fuel exempt from the same taxes as petrol and diesel, when that is the worst offender for global warming. Oh yes I do try and do my bit to be green, I recycle,car share if possible and use low energy lightbulbs to name a few . Sorry for political rant there.
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, so it's the ultimate mood lifter 
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