Margit Anna
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Posted: Aug. 25 2007, 07:32 |
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| Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Aug. 24 2007, 14:15) | | Quote | | For example you are writing a story, and you are in a very bad personal situation, would you be able to write a funny story? I don't think so. If you would try it in that bad mood, any attempt to be funny would sound like a sarcastic remark. |
| Quote | | Kraftwerk made a very stereotype music. How can you get emotions when you are listening to a computer tune. |
| Quote | | Everone who is able to use music programms on the computer can play that tunes in the same way. But it is not so easy to play a song on the guitar with the same intensity and feeling, like Mike Oldfield does. You would always notice the difference, if you tried. |
In the end, what I'm saying is that emotion can't be measured. Emotion doesn't exist in the sound; it's external. It's like the cultural significance of a piece of music. When you write music, you write notes, chords, melodies, but not emotion - and that's true for synthesizers, guitars, pianos, etc.. The perceived emotion in music is the product of a much grander scheme of things, which also involves the listener. |
Sir Mustafa: "I understand what you say and where you're coming from, Margit (at least, I believe I am). We come from different schools of thought, I guess, and both seem to work for each of us individually. Still, I do have my personal conceptions on what listening to music means and is. What I meant to say is that I don't doubt there is a side of "feeling the music" and what the artist meant with it, but the listener needs to have a willingness to "fall" for that, initially, however subconscious it might be. And even then, our idea of what the artist meant might be completely wrong! How are we ever going to check that out without reading about the artist, and the circumstances under which his art was made?"
Answer: "Of course we never know what the musician felt when he created his music, how could we? You are right, that we only get to know, when he tells us. But I think that we sometimes can feel when someone felt depressed and unhappy for any reason when he plaid certain tunes. It is not only the chord he chose, it is also his way of playing the piece on his guitar.
I myself don't need much willingness to feel something, it is there and I can't help it. Some parts cut into my heart, so that it nearly pains. Maybe some people are more sensitive and some are less, I don't know. Mike Oldfield is not the only one musician I like, I like lots more, but nobody ever touched me so much with his music emotionally. I don't want to say that I know what he felt, cause I don't. I just can say that I get different emotions by listening to his music and I think that he is able to transfer emotions.
You are free to have your own opinion, everyone is entitled to that and I respect that. We are all different and that is good so."
Sir Mustafa: "I have written stories before, and I have to say it's perfectly possible for one to write comedy while in a bad state of mind. It's a bit misleading to mention specifically comedy, which is one of the most difficult things to write - but, for examples, I have written rather dramatic and dark stories while living very pleasant moments, and it has been likewise with several people I know."
Answer: "I also wrote some stories, Mustafa. My compliment to you, when you are able to write comedy when you are not in a funny mood. I could not do that. Was it the same kind of humour as you normally have when you are in a good, relaxed mood?
I think it is easier to write a dramatic story, independent on the state of your mind, than to write something humorous, as that is more difficult as you said yourself and I need to be in the right condition."
Sir Mustafa: "What's the core difference between a piece played on an electric guitar and a piece played on a synthesizer, other than the instrument it's played in? Both require talent and skill, and you can be equally expressive with both; or can't you? Both require electronic circuits, both are hand played... There's no difference. I mentioned Kraftwerk specifically to be annoying, but I'll use Autechre, instead: Amber is an album which, in my opinion, has much more depth and atmosphere than Mike Oldfield's entire output since Tubular Bells II, and I get honest, heartfelt emotions out of it when I'm in the right mood."
Answer: There is a huge difference between a piece plaid on the computer and plaid on the guitar. On the computer you are able to alter everything so, that it sounds perfect. Every single note is where it should be, everything is exactly in time. It is so perfect, that the personality is getting lost. The charming thing on a human is the unperfection. Also when he is a perfectionist, he won't be able to be exact every time and there will be some little faults. And you hear not only clear notes, you also hear when the little sliding tone when he moves his fingers on the strings.
When you play a piece on the guitar , you play it like you feel it at that moment and that happens impulsive in that special moment. When you transfer the same on to the computer some time afterwards, you can alter it to sound natural nowadays, I know, but you never can transfer the emotion you had in that special moment. That's why it never will sound the same.
I don't know if Kraftwerk are still making music. I just know them from lots of years ago and that time the technology was not very good and it was not possible to make computer music sound natural. Sorry, I don't know the other people you mentioned."
Sir Mustafa: "It's not like that. The computer doesn't act according to its own will. It doesn't produce music on its own. Knowing how the software works, how the sounds are generated and altered, and how to manipulate that can be every bit as challenging as learning how to manipulate a guitar. Just as a synthesizer can be performed in a mediocre, automatic manner, so can a guitar. The power of expression of instruments don't depend on how difficult they are to play. If that was the case, a violin would always sound invariably better than a piano, and you wouldn't want to tell that to Beethoven if you valued your life..."
Answer: "I know that Mustafa. I was a singer in a band and I spent lots of times in my life with musicians. And I know a little about computers. When you create something on the computer, you are working on every single part until it sounds right for you. You are able to move and change things until you are satisfied with the result. But that is not an impulsive action, it is planned and you are aware of what you are doing. When you are playing an instrument, it comes out immediately with all your emotions and you can't change anything."
Anyway, I don't want to convince you of something. It is nice to talk about music, also when we have different opinions.
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my mind is open to many things since encountering mikes music, life is now more technicolour than black or white, you sum up an analogy wiga that is profound and worth pondering on, deb