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Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 25 2001, 08:11 Hi all. I'd like to ask you two questions about the supposed splitting of Amarok in two halves. Question 1: We all know that Mike meant Amarok to be one (almost) unbroken hour of music. But when it was first released, LPs and cassettes were as popular as CDs [I don't know if they still are now.... ], so it HAD to be split between Side 1 and Side 2 for those releases. The Amarok M.L. FAQ say that the break is after the Mandolin section... before the Intermission. That would make Side 2 four minutes longer than Side 1... . If anyone out there has the vinyl or cassette release of Amarok, can he please tell me if the break is really there? [I think Orion69 can answer this...he knows why. ] Question 2: According to you, where should the break really be placed? IMHO the most sensible point to split Amarok in two is at 29'28'', right after Boat and right before Intro Reprise II. Please tell me what do you think about this. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

GMOVJ Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: April 25 2001, 10:30 Hi all But As we all know, endings are just beginings Amarok Player Tracklist says : (...) 01:26:18:60 Boat 01:27:13:50 \___ Theme 01:28:08:50 \___ Bridge 01:28:30:65 \___ Climax 01:29:06:60 \___ Tremolo 01:29:27:00 Intro Reprise II 01:30:00:00 \___ [this is where side 2 starts on the LP] 01:31:51:40 \___ Vox Organ 01:32:06:00 Big Roses (...) I think this is a good cut. I made a private K7, and I cut it exactly there... and it works fine. Cheers GMOVJ -------------- Cheers, GMOVJ [URL=http://tubular.fodplanet.com]http://tubular.fodplanet.com[/URL] - The french speaking mailing list Back to top

CarstenKuss Group: Musicians Posts: 362 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: April 25 2001, 16:41 Answering Question2: Last year I planned to make some Amarok MIDIs. First, I had to divide Amarok into parts and tracks. This was my result: PART ONE 00:00:00 Track 1: Happy? 06:22:10 Track 2: Busy 15:56:25 Track 3 PART TWO 26:07:00 Tracks 4 to ? You see, PART TWO in my count starts where the section list is being read aloud. I think this is (musically) the best cut. BTW: Shortly after I'd completed 'Happy?' and 'Busy', Daniel Acedo came up with 'Flamenco, Folk & Relax', which is EXACTLY what I called 'Track 3'. But we had never talked before! Funny, eh? -------------- -Carsten- Back to top

GMOVJ Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: April 26 2001, 05:43 PS : Reading the FAQ (3.7 Is there a track-listing for Amarok?), I just found this : 25:06 Mandolin [this is where the side breaks on the LP] 26:07 Intermission Cheers, GMOVJ -------------- Cheers, GMOVJ [URL=http://tubular.fodplanet.com]http://tubular.fodplanet.com[/URL] - The french speaking mailing list Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 26 2001, 07:18 GMOVJ, that's exactly the point I wanted to raise... The break in the Amarok M.L. FAQ seems to me a little senseless, in that it would make Side 2 longer than Side 1. Also [forgive me if I tell you this ], the break in the Amarok Player tracklist (1:30:00:00) falls right in the middle of a So-Far-So, i.e. a little after the foot-stomping-with-choir Sondela section has begun. I still think that Side 1 should be stopped before that section starts, i.e. at 29'30''. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 26 2001, 07:22 I too add a PS, also aimed at GMOVJ... How do you know that K7 means a cassette tape? AFAIK that shortening only makes sense in Italian... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Vinz Group: Members Posts: 253 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: April 26 2001, 08:36 I do have the Amarok K7's version (it perfectly makes sense in french too) and the so-fa-so-fa section is splitted in the middle for some kind of transition between each sides. -------------- Rejoignez la Tubular Mailing List francophone ! http://www.tubular.free.fr/tubular.php Back to top

GMOVJ Group: Members Posts: 273 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: April 26 2001, 09:03 Hi Ugo, that depends if you prefear 'fade out-cut-fade' in or 'music-stop-music'... I like it both, but after 2 tries, i choose to make my personnal K7 using the fade out - cut and reverse - fade in... Yes side 2 is longer than side 2... But I think this is not very important that 2 side are stricly equal and it was harder to cut precisely when a section stop or start... so I chose the most lazy solution K7 : well, I thought this was an internationnal short-cut... But saying this i remark that it will be spell 'kayseven' in english, wich mean nothing... In french, K7 has exactly the same pronounciation than cassette, a perfect acronym : '=' mean same pronounciation K = ka = ca 7 = sept = sette Regards GMOVJ Private PS : hey Vinz, you should be on holidays, not posting things here !!! Go back to the beach !!! -------------- Cheers, GMOVJ [URL=http://tubular.fodplanet.com]http://tubular.fodplanet.com[/URL] - The french speaking mailing list Back to top

Orion69 Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: Aug. 2000 Posted: April 26 2001, 19:01 Hello.....everyone. Just a belated answer to Ugo. Same thing already said by Vinz, the K7 version is broken in the middle, immediately after the "Intro Reprise 2" starting. Maybe ending the side 1 with "Boat" and starting side two with "Intro Reprise 2" could be better, without fade.......noooooo!....a real Amarok interruptus......Aaaaaargh!!!!. Off topic: Ugo...... what do you think about KN8?.....enough different than K7. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: April 27 2001, 07:56 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! Orion alias Mauro, Of course a KN8 is different from a K7...but I'm SURE no-one outside of Italy will get this joke...!!! P.S. Why my supposed 29'30'' break is so horrifying to you??? -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Orion69 Group: Members Posts: 5 Joined: Aug. 2000 Posted: April 29 2001, 17:27 Hi all. Ugo, I'm not horrified about your thought.(ok!....just a bit). It was a joky comment. However if Amarok was broken at 29:30, it could suggest the intention to make a real cut between two parts. Instead, the fade-out in that point it's a clear sort of "to be continued". I had made also some cuts to Amarok, for listen facility in mp3 format......highly personal. All above IMHO...... of course. ...the KN8 thing it's fully off topic.... or maybe is an off-shore topic. Quite difficult to explain it outside of Italy. K = Ca N = n .... 8 = otto all together "canotto" = "rowboat" .......next step "The Flamed Orion"... coming soon. Back to top

ChiRho Group: Members Posts: 195 Joined: Feb. 2001 Posted: May 21 2001, 05:53 Personally not owning A, on LP CD or K7 I would have no idea, but three different things on left right and centre makes a good introduction - so what if the halves are different lengths? Makes for less spooling on one side of the tape. (More awkward to copy though since with old tapes you have to wipe them to the end). Quote Bugger this, I want better ... er ... everything, I suppose -------------- <P>Mr. ChiRho Email to chirho@mine.nu.almost (guess what drops) Visit ChiRho Network Central [URL=http://www.chirho.i12.com/]http://www.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Check the forums (topic suggestions still welcome[URL=http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/]http://forum.chirho.mine.nu/[/URL] Back to top

Mlokie Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: April 2000 Posted: July 20 2002, 00:53 The LP I have (probably all the others too) breaks exactly at the moment when the original CD is in 29:59 and remastered 30:00, just before the guitar starts. Both sides are the same length. I think the 29:27 version with starting so-far-so would be better.. but maybe that wouldn't be technically possible anymore, i'm not sure. Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Aug. 09 2002, 23:26 I know this would never happen, and it would seriously unbalance the sides, but the perfect place for a side break for Amarok would be at the beginning of the Africa sections. Having side one fade out with the guitar, and side two beginning with the drums, it would be perfect. Of cousre, that would make side one four times longer than side two, and i know it wouldn't work. But they do sound like totally seperate tracks! -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

trcanberra Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Feb. 18 2008, 20:07 Quote (Mlokie @ July 20 2002, 00:53) The LP I have (probably all the others too) breaks exactly at the moment when the original CD is in 29:59 and remastered 30:00, just before the guitar starts. Both sides are the same length. I think the 29:27 version with starting so-far-so would be better.. but maybe that wouldn't be technically possible anymore, i'm not sure. Wow - so they just cut it in half on the LP?  I had been wondering about this too. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 23 2008, 13:54 Ancient thread but it's got my interest.Back in the old days (oh Dan's talking about the cassette again-hey i miss em ok? )i taped Amarok and split it just before the bowed acoustic and Piano part.Now as i've always forgotten the part names is this not the right place?Made perfect sense at the time.More than simply chopping it in half anyway. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: July 23 2008, 14:04 The neat thing that I noticed is that the very first high-pitched guitar melody on the "footsteps" section marks EXACTLY the 30 minute mark, so using that moment as a breakpoint makes some sort of sense. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 23 2008, 14:06 Yeah i tried it there as well.Just after the footsteps and before the accordian melody. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

olracUK Group: Members Posts: 1683 Joined: June 2003 Posted: July 23 2008, 20:23 it all fell apart for me when i used a c90 tape   -------------- The answer is 42 - but what is the question? Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: July 24 2008, 02:43 I had to use a D90 which left loads of tape on both sides! -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

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