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Posted: Sep. 08 2011, 22:39 |
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Quote (Ugo @ Sep. 08 2011, 16:13) | The video is not a collection of random images. You are twisting my words yet again. Of course the images have a common theme, and this happens to be Native Americans. But what I said is that the images are decorative and that they have no connection whatsoever to the music. In TWC the imagery was Mike's experimentation with a graphic computer, which was brand new at the time, and only a small portion of the images are actually linked to the music.
Also, what I think you ought to remember is that this video for "Sentinel" came later than the music. It was made for the single version [3'54''] of "Sentinel", which, of course, being an edit of the album version, was made later than the piece on the album. Because of this, I don't think Mike Oldfield had any creative input into the creation of the imagery in the video. Of course he may have been very much hands-on when he did TWC - it was intended as a "Video Album", and the TWC video was released simultaneously with the Islands album. But then the same may very well be not true at all for this video, which is intended as a promotional tool for a single release which came out later [not simultaneously!] than the album on which the music was originally released. In most short films (commonly called music videos) which are intended as promotional tools, the artist has no creative input at all as far as the imagery is concerned. The director is responsible for it. This is the way it works: the director, production designer, choreographer, etc. come up with various ideas, various themes, and they pitch all of that to the artist. The artist says "That one is OK" and that's all of his/her input. So I don't think that Mike Oldfield wrote and recorded his piece of music "Sentinel" to be specifically about Native Americans (as the video was made later than the music, and, as I said, the ideas are not his) nor did he attach any particular meaning to what is being sung. He liked those sounds at the time he wrote and recorded the music. The fact that they may have a meaning which is connected to the video is purely and entirely coincidental. |
Ugo in reply to the second part of your post above.
I do not feel I am as you put it twisting your words, were you not saying that the images had no relationship to the music when you say here, they are only decoration or to be precise you wrote in the post I was replying to: [The promotional video has nothing to do with the song nor it is intended to represent its meaning (if any). It's just graphics.].
Thus I can not see how my writing this in reply to the above: [are you really saying in your last post that the video, Mike made for this music has nothing to do with his interpretation of it, or what he may have been inspired by in creating the music? even that it is just a collection of random images as you said elsewhere about other videos?.] is this twisting your words?.
Ugo you in your reply post change what you wrote before, as in the above that I had replied to, into these words: [that the images are decorative and that they have no connection whatsoever to the music.]. So all can see these are not your words that I was replying to, therefore it is not I who is twisting your words but you who is twisting things around, as you state above that you wrote one thing when in fact you wrote another. Ugo I am finding it impossible to converse with you as you appear to be changing your words and I have reached the point now that I have had to spend hours taking screen captures of all that you have written in order to have full faith that nothing is getting changed or edited after you post it.
Now onto what you write about the somewhat strange notion that the time delay in the albums release & the single release would effect whether there was a relationship between the music and the graphics in the video, you write this:- [Once again let me repeat that I don't think that the word is "money", nor it is intended to sound like "money". The similarity is coincidental. The word was there in the original track on the album, which came out much earlier than the video. If Mike really wanted to attach a meaning to it, he would have done a much better job of it already in the album -he didn't need a video to reinforce its supposed meaning.]
Then went on to say this: [Also, what I think you ought to remember is that this video for "Sentinel" came later than the music. It was made for the single version [3'54''] of "Sentinel", which, of course, being an edit of the album version, was made later than the piece on the album. Because of this, I don't think Mike Oldfield had any creative input into the creation of the imagery in the video. Of course he may have been very much hands-on when he did TWC - it was intended as a "Video Album", and the TWC video was released simultaneously with the Islands album. But then the same may very well be not true at all for this video, which is intended as a promotional tool for a single release which came out later [not simultaneously!] than the album on which the music was originally released. In most short films (commonly called music videos) which are intended as promotional tools, the artist has no creative input at all as far as the imagery is concerned. The director is responsible for it. This is the way it works: the director, production designer, choreographer, etc. come up with various ideas, various themes, and they pitch all of that to the artist. The artist says "That one is OK" and that's all of his/her input. So I don't think that Mike Oldfield wrote and recorded his piece of music "Sentinel" to be specifically about Native Americans (as the video was made later than the music, and, as I said, the ideas are not his) nor did he attach any particular meaning to what is being sung. He liked those sounds at the time he wrote and recorded the music. The fact that they may have a meaning which is connected to the video is purely and entirely coincidental.]
Ugo I can not see any sense in the argument you put forward here regarding timing of releases & in the UK there was little delay in the albums release & the single, in fact as far as I know the album came out on the 31st of August 1992 & the single was released 22 days latter! to my perception of time that hardly qualifies as you put it: [the album, which came out much earlier than the video.] Ugo 22 days is not to me a long time its a mere 3 weeks which would lead one to maybe feel the video and planned release was worked out long before the album came out.
Lastly you seem to go on to twist my words to mean I was simply saying the video was only about the Native Indians! when I thought I had made it fairly clear, that the video is about the Indian view of money and that the graphics in the back ground are clearly not solely about the Indian way of life but more their view of the old ways, the values they had before the white man walked upon their lands. That some still attempt bravely to hold onto. In case within all your knowledge of MO you had not realised, Mike holds a deep affinity with the Indian culture as he also does with many others who try to live as one with nature.
The images we see in the video back ground are of the western world's so called advanced civilizations that had not worked out and collapsed, democracies that were based on money!! and the fact that this is what the western world had taken them when invading their lands, a fools economy based on unstable, unsustainable ideas & this ruined the healthy way of life that they once lived, living as one in their surroundings at peace with mother earth, with & within nature.
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