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Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Mar. 15 2003, 13:04 Quote Mike said at one point that he felt that punk rock made fun of music, so perhaps Punkadiddle was Mike's idea of having music make fun of punk rock. This is a quote from the section Platinum in the discography (korgscrew, I know it's copyrighted, I'm sorry to be a bit criminal ). I don't know much about punk music, only heard some at party's and from friends. So I was wondering: what has punkadiddle actually to do with punk? Is it just because there is a simple drum (whitch actually doesn't sound like a punk-like drum to me)? Or is it because by example at 1'49'' the harmony freezes for about 13 seconds, while the melody gets repetative? Or is it because of the crowd noice and the guy who says 'hoi'? Does anyone have an idea? -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

Man In The Rain Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: April 2002 Posted: Mar. 15 2003, 14:53 It's the simpleness of it, the guitar and drum are quite crude and sound almost out of time with each other at points, which is Punk-like. The 'oi!' in the background is also supposed to be punkesque. Having said this, not all punk is rubbish and there is a lot of fantastic punk music. For instance, London Calling by The Clash is undoubtedly one of the greatest albums of all time, far better than Platinum! (blasphemy I know) -------------- Hergest Ridge 165 - Ommadawn 038 - Incantations 243 Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Mar. 16 2003, 11:43 Well, I think it's a bit like Mike's tribute to B.B. King, B.Blues - it doesn't really sound anything like the style of music it's based on. I think Man In The Rain said it all about the elements which are meant to be punk-esque... Back to top

Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Mar. 16 2003, 17:22 Thanks! -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: June 03 2003, 08:45 Most probably the idea was to take the punkesque drum rhythm and do something admitedly silly and stupid on top of it, and you got the playful synth melody and the "hoi!"s all over. It sounds like Mike going 'ha ha, look what I do with your "music" genre!' -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

David Mar Unregistered Posted: Feb. 17 2005, 05:54 I prefer 'Live Punkadiddle'! That's the best version I've heard! Back to top

maria Group: Members Posts: 928 Joined: July 2002 Posted: Feb. 17 2005, 16:02 punkadiddle is a piece of music that i've started to appreciate more after listening to a live version. i just recently knew of the encore from preston 1980 and it has become my favourite live bit from mike oldfield at the moment. it's very alive, spontaneous. imho he plays with a big energy all along and there's a lot happening around. i do like some detail like the sax giving a jazzy touch in the middle... but it becomes heaven when the instruments leave the background clear for the guitar alone..  the last two minutes make me shiver any time i listen to it, i have to stop whatever i'm doing... can just focuss on its sound !! -------------- ...morning and evening i'm flying, i'm dreaming... Back to top

David Mar Group: Members Posts: 457 Joined: Oct. 2001 Posted: Feb. 18 2005, 05:32 It's a pity that 'Into Wonderland' has some of Mike's wonderful guitar soloing missing! That's my biggest gripe, and why I prefer 'Sally'! Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Feb. 23 2011, 21:29 Quote (Guest @ Feb. 17 2005, 05:54) I prefer 'Live Punkadiddle'! That's the best version I've heard! I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion of this. Still, I really became aware of the live version only after Milamber emailed me a copy. The solo really becomes a piece in its own right. It should have been the A side to the single of "Five Miles Out" (fond though I am of other FMO-related material such as "Taurus 2"  - you can't tease me about that, Milamber, as you're incommunicado for a week     ) Back to top

Herod Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: Jan. 2004 Posted: Feb. 24 2011, 02:02 Am I right in considering the 'real' start of 'Punkadiddle' at 0:49, in spite of the track indexing? The 49 seconds missing are a leftover from 'Sally' -------------- The last 80 seconds of 'Amarok' are one of the reasons for being happy to live in this planet. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Feb. 24 2011, 07:49 Quote (Herod @ Feb. 24 2011, 02:02) Am I right in considering the 'real' start of 'Punkadiddle' at 0:49, in spite of the track indexing? The 49 seconds missing are a leftover from 'Sally' Yes, that's the way I hear it too. I guess they left those 50 seconds because cutting straight into the real start of Punkadiddle would be too crude. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

HR lover Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Sep. 2010 Posted: Feb. 24 2011, 08:29 To me Punkadiddle souds like a mock of football hooligans. -------------- Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Feb. 24 2011, 09:45 Quote (HR lover @ Feb. 24 2011, 08:29) To me Punkadiddle souds like a mock of football hooligans. It's supposed to. But in the live version that marvelous guitar solo lifts us up and takes us all to Living Island     Back to top

Cavalier (Lost Version) Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: Nov. 2010 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 11:49 Musically, what punk left us with is our acceptance of a slightly rougher style of guitar-playing and chaotic vocals.  Culturally, it's whatever "those who were there" tell us it represented: reacting against [insert some establishment here].  Actually, what we seem to cherish about the body of work is usually quite melodic, so Punkadiddle is not so far off the style. -------------- "Who was that?" "That was Venger - the force of Evil!  I am Dungeon Master - your guide in the realm of Dungeons & Dragons!" Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 17:55 Quote (Cavalier (Lost Version) @ Feb. 26 2011, 11:49) Musically, what punk left us with is our acceptance of a slightly rougher style of guitar-playing and chaotic vocals.  Culturally, it's whatever "those who were there" tell us it represented: reacting against [insert some establishment here].  Actually, what we seem to cherish about the body of work is usually quite melodic, so Punkadiddle is not so far off the style. I had a sudden vision then of Julian Bream with a safety pin in his nose   Love your square brakcets, Cav   Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 18:05 The Ramones, Sex Pistols, and bands like that have never done much for me. The only band I've ever really liked at all out of that era is the Clash, and I've only heard a few songs by them. If I listen to punk, it's usually early '80s hardcore like Black Flag. Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 18:07 Oh, and Milamber sent me the live version of Punkadiddle as well, the solo bit at the end is wonderful, I agree. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 18:13 Quote (Syd B @ Feb. 26 2011, 18:07) Oh, and Milamber sent me the live version of Punkadiddle as well, the solo bit at the end is wonderful, I agree. Much, much, much better than Santana   Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 18:23 Have you ever heard "Variations on the Carlos Santana Secret Chord Progression" by Frank Zappa? Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Feb. 26 2011, 18:26 No, I haven't. Worth hearing? Back to top

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