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Question: Platinum poll :: Total Votes:81 Poll choices Votes Statistics the last of Mike's great 70s instrumentals 11  [13.58%] too much like an Incantations afterthought 1  [1.23%] a sign that Mike was low on inspiration as he entered the 80s 4  [4.94%] a great example of Mike changing his style with the times 37  [45.68%] OK, nothing special 6  [7.41%] criminally underrated 18  [22.22%] my favourite Mike Oldfield recording 4  [4.94%] Guests cannot vote

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Sweetpea Group: Members Posts: 1476 Joined: April 2007 Posted: May 04 2007, 14:42 I haven't yet added this album to my collection, but - after viewing the "Montreaux" DVD - I purchased "Platinum Part 2", "Platinum Part 4", and "Punkadiddle" through iTunes. They've been my constant car tunes since. -------------- "I'm no physicist, but technically couldn't Mike both be with the horse and be flying through space at the same time? (On account of the earth's orbit around the Sun and all that). So it seems he never had to make the choice after all. I bet he's kicking himself now." - clotty Back to top

imhotep Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: Jan. 2007 Posted: May 05 2007, 09:50 I love Platinum 1-4. I can't get the melodies out of my head. I just wish the drumming hadn't been so stale. Back to top

New Incantation Group: Members Posts: 85 Joined: Sep. 2007 Posted: Sep. 09 2007, 17:45 I remember buying the lp back in 79/80, putting it on my music centre in my bedroom, drawing the curtains, relaxing on my bed with my headphones on  and being totally carried away with the A side of Platinum. There were hints of the old MO, ie Incantations and TB, but also experimentation with the new, as if trying to embrace the new decade of the 80s. This "experimentation" worked quite well in parts especially with North Star and Platinum; but also went slightly off the rails by the time we get to Side B, which I very rarely play these days. But for all that Platinum was a real blast back then, not quite so satisfying as Incantations but certainly more polished & refined than TB. Back to top

Delfín Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: Nov. 2000 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 05:32 Quote (familyjules @ Feb. 18 2005, 17:44) I remember reading in an interview that sides 1 and 2 were pre Exegesis and that sides 3 and 4 were post Exegesis. Jules That is very likely to be true. -------------- The most precious thing I possess, is knowing the answer's yes Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 07:02 Quote (Delfín @ Sep. 04 2009, 11:32) Quote (familyjules @ Feb. 18 2005, 17:44) I remember reading in an interview that sides 1 and 2 were pre Exegesis and that sides 3 and 4 were post Exegesis. Jules That is very likely to be true. I agree - see here as for why. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 09:14 Definately true.Although in Changeling he talks about adding the choir when he came back from therapy which seems to point to parts of sides 1 and 2 not being complete as the choir diesn't appear on sides 3 and 4.I know he wasn't too enamoured by it after he came back and found it hard to get it finished.He still decided to tour with it though so it can't have been that bad.He did state after Platinum that he wished that he'd had this to tour with in ealry 79 for the Exposed tour as it was designed from the ground up to be toured with,although i've only heard Platinum and Punkadiddle live. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 20:15 Quote (The Caveman @ Sep. 04 2009, 09:14) I know he wasn't too enamoured by it after he came back and found it hard to get it finished.He still decided to tour with it though so it can't have been that bad. Well... Incantations came after a long hiatus, when MO fans would have welcomed any record by him, even if it was just a record of his sneezing. That was why people "liked" Incantations then. I suspect that many like it now simply because they associate it with the golden past. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 20:31 Quote (nightspore @ Sep. 04 2009, 20:15) Incantations came after a long hiatus, when MO fans would have welcomed any record by him, even if it was just a record of his sneezing. That was why people "liked" Incantations then. I suspect that many like it now simply because they associate it with the golden past. It's a good thing the opinions of all people of the world are padronised, so we can make perfectly accurate generalisations like those. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 22:12 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Sep. 04 2009, 20:31) It's a good thing the opinions of all people of the world are padronised, so we can make perfectly accurate generalisations like those. Not sure what "padronised" means, Sir M, although it sounds vaguely Catholic. It's part of the human condition that people will regard the past with an often inappropriate fondness. It even inspired that schmaltzy song "The Way we Were" ("Can it be it was all so different then, or has time rewritten every line".) Believe it or not, there have actually been concentration camp survivors who can look back on their experiences with a certain fondness. JG Ballard devoted virtually his whole writing career to such people, of course. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Sep. 04 2009, 23:21 I agree regarding the relationship to the past (but that would apply to all of his records, not just Incantations), but you said that all people only liked the record back then because of the delay. Well, I only suggested that some people liked the album because they genuinely enjoyed it. You may not like it, but that doesn't mean nobody else does. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 05 2009, 01:08 Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Sep. 04 2009, 23:21) you said that all people only liked the record back then because of the delay. No, I didn't! The word never crossed my keyboard, as you may easily confirm if you read back over the post! Seriously, though, many would have "liked" the record for this reason. Many times I've heard fans of particular groups buy the latest record and say, "Oh well, I don't like it now, but I'll play it a few times and it may grow on me." But people are associational beasties, and if the playing of a record is associated with a happy time, pretty soon the record will become a conditioned response for happiness as well. I still like that word "padronised". Perhaps it means "to pay too much attention to the teachings of a padre."   Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1980 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Sep. 05 2009, 02:35 Incantations was a great record regardless of when and why it was recorded. Platinum, except for a few cool parts fell short of the mark due to trying to adapt to the disco era. You tubes seem to be having a lot of fun with this. I could do this all day. Well it's actually 1:30 AM......time has no meaning for me. Me, I'm a graveyard shift worker, you can tell me by the way I walk. -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 05 2009, 03:28 You can estimate a record's "immediate appeal" versus its "retrospective appeal" by its chart behaviour. Tubular Bells II reached number 1, and therefore had considerable immediate appeal. Incantations, however didn't even make the top 10 in the UK (it did even worse in Australia, failing to make the lists) and so has demonstrably less immediate appeal. If a lot of people like the record now, which seems highly unlikely, it's probably because the record "grew" on them, for reasons already suggested. Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Sep. 07 2009, 03:52 Nightspore you know that everyone who likes Incantations can't be wrong.I was 3 when it came out so didn't even hear it when it was released intitally and i like it.Equally we know that you don't like it.That's your opinion and we've been here before.Why not just accept that and learn to deal with the fact that some people who like it genuinly enjoy listening to it rather than trying to say that those people are associating it with some Golden Era etc?In the end who cares why people like a certain peice of music anyway?If they like it then they do.Simple as.It's a big world. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 07 2009, 20:43 Quote (The Caveman @ Sep. 07 2009, 03:52) In the end who cares why people like a certain peice of music anyway? I thought the whole point of forums like this was to look at such issues! Sorry to have touched a raw nerve!   Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 03:00 Well yeah they are i just think that if you do or don't enjoy a peice of music then fine.If you don't then don't keep on at others who do with the reasons why you think it's such a crap peice and why they should dislike it.No raw nerve touched mate. It's really very simple.I prefer Mike's 70's output to a lot (but by no means all)of the later stuff.You prefer the later stuff but don't like the 70's stuff for precisely the reasons i like it.Neither of us is 'right' as this is art and there is no such thing as 'wrong' or 'right'.There is only personal taste. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 07:45 Quote (The Caveman @ Sep. 08 2009, 03:00) Well yeah they are i just think that if you do or don't enjoy a peice of music then fine.If you don't then don't keep on at others who do with the reasons why you think it's such a crap peice and why they should dislike it.No raw nerve touched mate. It's really very simple.I prefer Mike's 70's output to a lot (but by no means all)of the later stuff.You prefer the later stuff but don't like the 70's stuff for precisely the reasons i like it.Neither of us is 'right' as this is art and there is no such thing as 'wrong' or 'right'.There is only personal taste. At the risk of committing a tu quoqe (but saying wtf and doing so anyway), if you can attack "Islands" I can attack Incantations. So there!   As for there being no such thing as wrong or right, do you want to tell the police, or shall I?   Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 07:51 Touche.Ok fair enough.If i keep away from Islands will you keep away from Incantaions? Anyway i'm more inclined to have a pop at Earth Moving or TMB to be fair! As for the police?Don't even get me started -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Delfín Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: Nov. 2000 Posted: Sep. 08 2009, 22:32 Islands and Incantations... so different... and so scenically, conceptually similar... both are marvellous, spiritual albums speaking about the magic and beauty of loneliness at the sea. Both are unique masterpieces in my humble opinion. -------------- The most precious thing I possess, is knowing the answer's yes Back to top

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