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Olivier Group: Super Admins Posts: 1870 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: May 08 2007, 09:02 In this weeks Music Week, Mike attacks EMI for giving away Tubular Bells as a covermount without having consulted him first. The move has also sparked debate about giving albums away free with newspapers, with particular focus being on Tubular Bells. Retailers have insisted it has affected genuine sales of the classic album. Thanks, Chris Simmons. Update May 22: The Mail on Sunday replies that sales of Tubular Bells have increased 30%, while music industry sources believe that 30% is actually not significant. Back to top

Matt Group: Admins Posts: 1186 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: May 08 2007, 10:00 They did it *without consulting him*! That is absolutely horrific. The Music week item seems to be subscriber only. Anyone care to paste a copy of the item here at tubular.net ar a more detailed summary of what Mike said? -------------- "I say I say I say I say, what's got three bottles and five eyes and no legs and two wheels" Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1767 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: May 08 2007, 13:44 Quote (Matt @ May 08 2007, 10:00) They did it *without consulting him*! That is absolutely horrific. The Music week item seems to be subscriber only. Anyone care to paste a copy of the item here at tubular.net ar a more detailed summary of what Mike said? They had propably consulted Virgin though... -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: May 08 2007, 16:40 ...and I thought that Mike knew about it,TB given for free as a promo tool for his autobio! But it wasn't...and I do support Mike's anger on the subject. -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

simmo2005 Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: May 09 2007, 04:16 There is an opinion poll on www.musicweek.com where you can vote to support Mike's anger (it's on a panel on the left of the main page) Back to top

Matt Group: Admins Posts: 1186 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: May 09 2007, 04:55 You can vote without being a subscriber but I still haven't found a way to see what Mike wrote (£15 seems a lot to view one article). I realise it is a bit cheeky asking someone to break copyright to see an article about copyright but if anyone has a subscription to Musicweek I would really like to know a bit more about what Mike has said. Anyone? If I had poured my soul into a work of art which had been a huge success and of which I was enormously proud I know I would be livid if someone went and distributed it free with a paper without my consent! -------------- "I say I say I say I say, what's got three bottles and five eyes and no legs and two wheels" Back to top

onion Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: July 2005 Posted: May 09 2007, 06:00 There is many aspects (no sure of spelling) of this...of course it´s wrong to give away a diamant, but it could also just mean that MO is angry because he doesn´t want to be associated with the newspaper and anyway I fully support that he is pissed off. It devaluate his work - any artists work -  and is wrong. Mike -------------- Are soft boiled eggs supposed to make a crunchy noise when you eat them? Back to top

simmo2005 Group: Members Posts: 173 Joined: Sep. 2005 Posted: May 09 2007, 06:12 You would be better off just buying the magazine (this weeks issue) as it includes a picture of mike, the article, plus his letter of condemnation. It's available in most newsagents, for about £4-5. Back to top

Matt Group: Admins Posts: 1186 Joined: Nov. 2002 Posted: May 09 2007, 06:22 Will try again to find a copy of the magazine. I didn't have any luck when looking in newsagents yesterday evening. Plenty of copies of "hello", "zoo", "football daily" etc. etc. etc. of course... -------------- "I say I say I say I say, what's got three bottles and five eyes and no legs and two wheels" Back to top

Moz Group: Musicians Posts: 600 Joined: July 2005 Posted: May 09 2007, 07:24 He should consult a lawyer if he hasn't done so already.  If the paper gets away with it, I worry that other papers will start using this as another way to get people to buy their publication. -------------- Twitter: @benbarden Back to top

timshen Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: Mar. 2001 Posted: May 09 2007, 09:37 Well I voted to agree with Mike on this matter (as have over 80% of voters). I think it's horrific that music companies can just do what they want with classic CDs without even consulting the artist. It's this kind of treatment that has bugged Mike throughout his career and I hope it doesn't get to him too much now :-( -------------- Expect Great Things. Attempt Great Things. Back to top

Tas Group: Members Posts: 32 Joined: July 2004 Posted: May 09 2007, 16:01 He's dead right to feel angry. It happened to me but in a slightly different way. I will spare you the details but It's massively annoying when your publisher or former publisher does these things with out simply letting you know.. It's just the decent thing to do. If my publisher had asked me if it was ok, I would have said "Yeah, no problem!" but to find out through other means that they'd simply taken the liberty to just do it without letting me know felt upsetting. It's just the decent thing to do is to comunicate with the musician first hand. I can understand Mike's frustration - It's a principle thing more than anything. Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: May 09 2007, 22:18 Quote (Matt @ May 09 2007, 06:55) If I had poured my soul into a work of art which had been a huge success and of which I was enormously proud I know I would be livid if someone went and distributed it free with a paper without my consent! That's the main point,IMO,in Mike's case,TB means a lot to him,not only musically but personally. -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

ImAFoolAndImLaughing Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: May 10 2007, 03:41 It's interesting that the Mail chose to covermount a complete album. They generally go in more for "various-artist" compilations or samplers, don't they? I wonder if Mike would have been less angry if they'd've given away a "Best Of Mike Oldfield" Compilation (comprised of Moonlight Shadow, Foreign affair, Mike's Single etc.) I also wonder whether the Mail's decision to give away the whole of TB was based on their perception of it as a bit of a "lame-duck" album, and that therefore they could get away with it without too many recriminations. Personally, hearing that the Mail was planning to give it away free with their poxy rag triggered the same feelings within me that I feel whenever I see it in the Bargain-Bin in HMV - anger and frustration and the suspicion that people see it as a bit of a joke! But... since the mail have gotten into the habit of covermounting classic albums on their newspapers, I'm looking forward to seeing them giving away The Beatles' White Album, Nirvana's Nevermind, and Pink Floyd's Dark Side Of The Moon with future editions...  Will it happen? I think not! -------------- "I was in this prematurely air conditioned supermarket and there were these bathing caps you could buy that had these kind of Fourth of July plumes on them that were red and yellow and blue and I wasn't tempted to buy one but I was reminded of the fact that I had been avoiding the beach." Back to top

Deadcalm Group: Awaiting Authorisation Posts: 752 Joined: Nov. 2004 Posted: May 10 2007, 04:38 Giving it away is a Two Edged Sword I guess!! A lot of Folks who never in a Month of Sundays go near a Record Shop may have played it Liked it!! Then maybe thought ill go and down and get a "Elements" CD from HMV or Virgin ... Not sure how much Royalty you get off a CD Album these Days but as we all know u can get Classic Albums in the £3 - £5 Category these days so that could be a form of Devaluement as well I guess.. Maybe MO will still get a Slice of the Cake I guess but hes just a bit Miffed cause no one happened to consult him 1st Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: May 10 2007, 05:06 Quote whenever I see it in the Bargain-Bin in HMV - anger and frustration and the suspicion that people see it as a bit of a joke! I was in HMV in Belfast here about three weeks ago, and tubular bells was in a huge poster on the wall, entitled "the most important albums you must hear before you die" some stores have respect. when i heard they gave away Tubular Bells free in the paper i was actually embarrased. I had a few freidns call me up and say, "oh hey i got that tubular bells albun for free, would you like it?" i dont really pay much attention to the media anymore (thanks to studying media for two years) but as soon as i heard this, i felt really bad. I really wish some people had more respect for music. -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

Thea Cochrane Group: Musicians Posts: 445 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: May 10 2007, 06:23 They discussed the article on the BBC Radio 4 programme Front Row last night. The audio is quite distorted but you can hear it at http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/arts/frontrow/ It's about 19 minutes in. I'd argue that anyone who wanted to buy Tubular Bells would probably have bought it in the last 33 years already, and people who don't like it won't like it but it might turn lots of people on to Mike's other CDs. But... yeah, not checking with the artist/ composer is a bit crap. Back to top

BeeNBee Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: Jan. 2006 Posted: May 10 2007, 07:54 Mike is absolutely right about attacking EMI which I suppose is not a Virgin any more but It turned out to be a whore! ( sorry for strong language but it simply pisses me off when the commercialism is killing the real spirit of music and its trully deserved respect! ) Keep it up Mike! -------------- " Michal Kochamy Cie! " - Katowice 1999 Back to top

Thea Cochrane Group: Musicians Posts: 445 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: May 10 2007, 10:08 Quote (BeeNBee @ May 10 2007, 12:54) it simply pisses me off when the commercialism is killing the real spirit of music I don't see what's commercial about giving it away for free. Back to top

BeeNBee Group: Members Posts: 18 Joined: Jan. 2006 Posted: May 10 2007, 12:07 You know it's like in those super markets, they give you something for free just in order to focus your attention on something else ( i suppose the Changeling) I think they were surely aware of 'general noise' in public they will cause. And not consulting Mike was particulary intented.   I think it might turn lots of people perceiving Mike as being a free newspapers add..   Or maybe I am just exaggerating. -------------- " Michal Kochamy Cie! " - Katowice 1999 Back to top

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