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Question: Islands vs. Islands! :: Total Votes:9 Poll choices Votes Statistics Islands 6  [66.67%] Islands 3  [33.33%] Guests cannot vote

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Incantations Group: Members Posts: 157 Joined: May 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 18:17 Okay, I will explain myself. I am referring to our Mikey's Islands album (Option 1), vs. Islands by King Crimson (Option 2). For me it would have been King Crimson's Islands if it weren't for The Wind Chimes Parts 1 and 2   -------------- Hmm... Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1759 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 18:54 Islands is King Crimson's mastepiece IMO. I love it to bits. If you consider Islands to be Mike's masterpiece then you propably think 1986 was good year for fashion. -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 18:54 Definitely Mike. I don't like King Crimson. Also, "Islands" (the song) is my second all-time fav song. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 20:16 Quote (Ugo @ Nov. 22 2010, 18:54) Definitely Mike. I don't like King Crimson. Also, "Islands" (the song) is my second all-time fav song. I agree with Ugo - although I'll add here that I agree King Crimson's Islands is their best album and sounds nothing like (for example) the noisy Lark's Tongues in Aspic. Have you heard this one, Ugo? I think you might, at least, not dislike it. Here's "Song of the Gulls": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7N68OUn4isg&feature=related Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2263 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:17 Quote (larstangmark @ Nov. 23 2010, 08:54) Islands is King Crimson's mastepiece IMO. I love it to bits. If you consider Islands to be Mike's masterpiece then you propably think 1986 was good year for fashion. Come on Lars... 86 , just like me I bet you had a Pink mohair jumper and yellow canvas pants with probably a pair of adidas rome's   And don't get me started on hair gel...... Back to top

Incantations Group: Members Posts: 157 Joined: May 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:21 Forgot to sate my reasoning. Islands by King Crimson I find to be among Larks Tongues in Aspic, Lizard, and Red with their masterpieces. It has a more linear (less crowded) aproach than Lizard. Boz Burrells Vocals rule on the title track too. But overall I find the structure and overal music slightly of better quality on Lizard versus Islands. As a side note, you have to put into consideration that Lizard is in a scary place genre wise. Jazz people and (Straitforward) Rock people are very specific on what classifies as rock. So Jazz fans regard Lizard as a rock album, and Rock fans regard it as a Jazz album. Yup, set for failure at the very beggining. Besides Lizard I prefer Larks' slightly over Islands -------------- Hmm... Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2263 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:22 Quote (Ugo @ Nov. 23 2010, 08:54) Definitely Mike. I don't like King Crimson. Also, "Islands" (the song) is my second all-time fav song. Two Euros if you can guess his favorite   Wonder what number 3 is??? If we were talking N.S's faves then Ommadawn or Incantations would be my Pick Back to top

Incantations Group: Members Posts: 157 Joined: May 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:22 Quote (larstangmark @ Nov. 22 2010, 10:54) Islands is King Crimson's mastepiece IMO. I love it to bits. If you consider Islands to be Mike's masterpiece then you propably think 1986 was good year for fashion. I think We all know what I think Mike's Masterpiece is   -------------- Hmm... Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2263 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:42 Quote (Incantations @ Nov. 23 2010, 13:22) Quote (larstangmark @ Nov. 22 2010, 10:54) Islands is King Crimson's mastepiece IMO. I love it to bits. If you consider Islands to be Mike's masterpiece then you propably think 1986 was good year for fashion. I think We all know what I think Mike's Masterpiece is   Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped conjure up the stolen data tapes. Or given you clairvoyance to find the rebel's hidden fortr.... Oops wrong forum Sorry Snoit a Tnac Ni. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:50 Quote (milamber @ Nov. 22 2010, 23:22) Two Euros if you can guess his favorite   Ugo did say at one time. I remember it had "Heaven" in the title. I think it was something by Boyzone. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 22 2010, 23:51 Quote (Incantations @ Nov. 22 2010, 23:21) and Rock fans regard it as a Jazz album. Yup, set for failure at the very beggining. Going by the song with Jon Anderson's vocals, it's a pop album. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 08:57 @ nightspore: are you sure that's King Crimson? It almost sounds like classical music. I vaguely remember not liking King Crimson because of not liking the vocals, and because of their music being way too overcrowded - too much stuff in it. Lemme hear another song from the same album, you may change my mind about them, and about that album... this is happening quite often, lately, in here! About my fav songs: yes, my all-time fav is called "Heaven", but it's not by Boyzone. Number 3 is - "Love Me for A Reason". Yes, I know it's not an original song by them, but I don't care. @ milamber: in 1986 I had a bomber leather jacket, leather gloves, jeans and Timberland shoes. [I still wear Timberlands now, by the way.] It was the Paninari time here in Italy. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

ex member 892 Group: Members Posts: 827 Joined: July 2008 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 13:25 Quote (Incantations @ Nov. 22 2010, 23:21) Islands by King Crimson I find to be among Larks Tongues in Aspic, Lizard, and Red with their masterpieces. Discipline beats all of them. Back to top

larstangmark Group: Members Posts: 1759 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 15:01 Quote (Syd B @ Nov. 23 2010, 13:25) Quote (Incantations @ Nov. 22 2010, 23:21) Islands by King Crimson I find to be among Larks Tongues in Aspic, Lizard, and Red with their masterpieces. Discipline beats all of them. I find the three 80s albums to be OK and nothing more. It doesn't sound a lot like 70s KC. -------------- "There are twelve people in the world, the rest are paste" Mark E Smith Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 19:21 Quote (Ugo @ Nov. 23 2010, 08:57) @ nightspore: are you sure that's King Crimson? It almost sounds like classical music. I vaguely remember not liking King Crimson because of not liking the vocals, and because of their music being way too overcrowded - too much stuff in it. Lemme hear another song from the same album, you may change my mind about them, and about that album... this is happening quite often, lately, in here! Hi Ugo, yes, it's by KC; it's a prelude to the title song, which is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBQa4Ska9-g The annoying thing about the group is that each of their records sounds wildly different from the others. I don't like all of Islands, but parts of it are quite good. I hate Larks Tongues and Red for precisely the reasons you give. The vocalist on the above at least sings clearly. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 19:54 Quote (nightspore @ Nov. 24 2010, 01:21) The annoying thing about the group is that each of their records sounds wildly different from the others. Do you mean that they changed their style from album to album? That's very unusual for a "prog" group. Even after Genesis transitioned from the pure PeterGabriel-ish "prog rock" to the PhilCollins-ish "prog pop" they did keep the funtamentals of their style pretty much intact. Yes did the same, the Moody Blues did the same (at least in the first seven albums), Jethro Tull did the same [at least up to 1980!!]. I thought that all "prog" people should be at least a bit consistent with their own style... yet King Crimson were not? Please elaborate further. "Islands" is a very nice song. It doesn't have much of a development before it gets totally instrumental, but when it does it's really nice. The trumpet is wonderful, the mellotron is a bit out-of-tune but it's cool. So is Mel Collins really playing on this? Mel Collins a.k.a. the early APP saxophonist? Mel Collins a.k.a. the performer of the world-famous sax solo in "The Gold Bug" ? I didn't know he used to be part of King Crimson. If I get one more song I like I will definitely buy this album. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 23 2010, 23:51 Quote (Ugo @ Nov. 23 2010, 19:54) Quote (nightspore @ Nov. 24 2010, 01:21) The annoying thing about the group is that each of their records sounds wildly different from the others. Do you mean that they changed their style from album to album? That's very unusual for a "prog" group. Even after Genesis transitioned from the pure PeterGabriel-ish "prog rock" to the PhilCollins-ish "prog pop" they did keep the funtamentals of their style pretty much intact. Yes did the same, the Moody Blues did the same (at least in the first seven albums), Jethro Tull did the same [at least up to 1980!!]. I thought that all "prog" people should be at least a bit consistent with their own style... yet King Crimson were not? Please elaborate further. "Islands" is a very nice song. It doesn't have much of a development before it gets totally instrumental, but when it does it's really nice. The trumpet is wonderful, the mellotron is a bit out-of-tune but it's cool. So is Mel Collins really playing on this? Mel Collins a.k.a. the early APP saxophonist? Mel Collins a.k.a. the performer of the world-famous sax solo in "The Gold Bug" ? I didn't know he used to be part of King Crimson. If I get one more song I like I will definitely buy this album. I think there are generally two albums per style. I haven't heard In The Wake of Poseidon, but I understand it's very much in the sort of Moody Bluesish style of In the Court of the Crimson King. Lizard and Islands form a style group, too: generally non-abrasive and melodic, but a bit more adventurous than the first two. Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, and Red are abrasive, jazzy, and I don't like them. After hearing these I lost interest in KC, and I have no idea what their subsequent albums are like. I agree with you about "Islands" the song. According to the liner notes it's a cornet rather than a trumpet. The song always reminds me of a place off the WA coast: Penguin Island. And yes, Mel Collins is quoted as playing flute, bass flute, sax and vocals. Pete Sinfield's lyrics are very colourful, in my opinion. "Formantera Lady" and "The Sailor's Tale" fit the oceanic theme of the album, but "The Letters" and "Ladies of the Road" don't, and probably shouldn't have been included on the album. They're not unlistenable, but they just don't fit. I hope this helps. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Nov. 24 2010, 00:04 The two tracks I posted are by far the best on the album, in my opinion. But so that you may make an informed decision as to whether to buy, here's "The Letters": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt0JkaHdleQ&feature=related And here's "Formantera Lady": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPjAKOajuDY&feature=related This isn't a bad song once you get past the opening "tune up". Warning: "The Sailor's Tale" is quite jazzy! Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Nov. 24 2010, 09:05 Quote (nightspore @ Nov. 23 2010, 23:51) I think there are generally two albums per style. I haven't heard In The Wake of Poseidon, but I understand it's very much in the sort of Moody Bluesish style of In the Court of the Crimson King. Lizard and Islands form a style group, too: generally non-abrasive and melodic, but a bit more adventurous than the first two. Larks' Tongues in Aspic, Starless and Bible Black, and Red are abrasive, jazzy, and I don't like them. After hearing these I lost interest in KC, and I have no idea what their subsequent albums are like. Keep in mind that I think Larks' Tongues in Aspic and Red are, to me, the pinnacle of King Crimson's career. They do noisy jazz like no one else, and I love it. Anyway, Discipline, Beat and Three of a Perfect Pair sound NOTHING like what they did so far; the main features are the syncopated and hot rhythms from Bill Bruford, the intricate guitar interplay between Fripp and Adrian Belew (yes, the guy who appeared on Earth Moving), and Tony Levin slippery and funky bass work. All of this is molded into Fripp's very sophisticated and high-brow view, and along the way you'll bump into Belew's poppier songs and ballads as gorgeous as Matte Kudasai. Finally, Thrak, The ConstruKction of Light and The Power to Believe partially return to the hard rock of Red, but with a more 90's, punchier spin to it. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Nov. 24 2010, 19:30 @ nightspore: outside of the field of classical music and classical concertos, to me cornet, trumpet and flugelhorn are the same thing. Anyway, thanks a lot for the links to the other songs. I can't listen to them right now because the slow connection I have on the computer I'm typing on right now (a laptop) doesn't allow me to properly visualize (and listen to) YouTube stuff in a flowing manner. I shall let you know more when I get back home. Regarding "The Sailor's Tale" being jazzy, well, I think that my utter dislike of jazz is pretty much very well known all over this board, so I won't state it again here. But this King Crimson album is basically prog, right? You know that I love prog. Even that Pekka Pohjola album which Mike contributed to, whose title I won't bother writing down and which is, of course, pure prog, has got quite a few passages all over it which could very easily be described as "jazzy". Yet I absolutely love that album. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

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