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Man In The Rain Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: April 2002 Posted: April 01 2002, 17:19 when mike has his inevitable public reappraisal, he will be seen as one of the 'coolest' musicians in history by view of the way in which he always maintained his 'alternative' status and his 'innovative, ground breaking' nature. but geeks are cool, in a roundabout unfortunately ironic labelling kinda way. -------------- Hergest Ridge 165 - Ommadawn 038 - Incantations 243 Back to top

Dalriada Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: May 2002 Posted: May 06 2002, 08:17 First of all, Amarok comes from Irish Gaelic "amarach", which can mean, you wouldn't believe, "morning", "tomorrow", but also "happy". That's why in whole Amarok you won't hear that word, but you'll hear "happy". Happy happy ha-ha-ha-ha... Anyways, well, I read these descriptions of "geeks" and I'd say that I'm one of them, too. I spent my childhood with books, I speak a baker's dozen of languages, I managed to skip nearly every invitation to club nights and disco parties, I listen to weird music and I listen to Mike Oldfield. And there's several other people I know who would be "geeks" and they are listening to his music. Suppose his music is for "geeks". The only thing I mind is that somebody puts all of these people together by some criteria. And I must say, some of those people are really clueless, uninteresting, pathetic, lifeless etc. But the "geeks' elite" is far more than those writing about "geeks" could imagine. Those people were there to break laws and prejudices throughout the history, they were raising revolutions so that those beer-belchers and football freaks who are now self-proclaimed chroniclers of "geeks" could have everyday free access to porn sites. I'm still so young that I'm ashamed of my age, but the people of my age that I know are still having their best kicks in a disco or a club over the weekend. They get drunk, laid and involved in car accidents and the best they did in their life by now is to get on a Uni just so that they could use students' benefits. During that time I've changed residence in three countries, abandoned my parents as the ultimate source of my finances and basically done things that somebody would need a few reincarnations for, but if I write them down here, I'll be thrown out of this forum for spreading indecent content. However, I'm a geek. Obviously a lower form of being. Dal Back to top

Couldren Group: Members Posts: 8 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Jan. 20 2003, 09:24 I know that this comment comes way late, but I just joined and am hoping to get some more recent topics to talk about. I to come in contact with more people who like Mike Oldfield, for the music is very close to my heart, and very few I know has even heard of Mike. I would agree that Mike could be considered "Geek Culture", but if Geek means away from the norm, I applaud. I have never liked the norms, I think we are headed in the wrong direction in the world, and the music seems to follow. I myself could be considered a geek. I wear casual clothes, likes roleplaying games, fantasy literature(Tolkien, CS Lewis etc), am single at 24, shave my head and wear a beard(mainly to be provocative), and I love Mike Oldfield, Computers, the Outdoors and Soccer. So I consider myself a geek, even if any who think they know me wouldn't. So lets have some more Geek culture. Any news about new Oldfield CD's? Back to top

BOOsTER Group: Musicians Posts: 1024 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Mar. 16 2003, 05:55 Good musician = Geek music = magic so? -------------- http://www.djbooster.net Back to top

Down Under Unregistered Posted: Mar. 19 2003, 17:06 Well, this subject almost immediately reminded me of the picture of that bunch on the back of the cover of Ommadawn (or inside of the CD insert) - the Hereford City Band is dressed nicely in their formal suits, and the African drummers from Jabula are probably traditionally dressed, but as for the rest ..... !!  Note Terry, sandals/socks and all!  I think everybody used to dress that way at university! OK, that was more than a quarter of a century ago, and whatever the case, the music was pretty good then, now it's just plain immaculate. Back to top

Korgscrew Group: Super Admins Posts: 3511 Joined: Dec. 1999 Posted: Mar. 21 2003, 12:45 I think it's hilarious to see the Hereford City Band dressed like that amongst all the others...it's also quite funny to imagine those very proper looking old men playing those evil sounding brass swells at the end of Part One   Back to top

Anonymizeruk Group: Members Posts: 46 Joined: April 2003 Posted: April 06 2003, 14:26 Ahhh, so it's not just my friends who wonder if Mike Oldfield music is 'officially' a geek thing...... OK, so I love Olfield, Jarre, War of the Worlds (the Musical version of course), and I write lots of strange music. I'm also into computing (currently work as a support analyst for a utility company) and Star Trek. On the other hand, I do enjoy going to the pub, playing pool, drinking beer and going home wrecked, having dropped most of my take-away supper on the roadside somewhere. Anyways, I think that being classed as 'normal' is worse than being called a geek. Being 'normal' means being the same as everyone else. Boring or what? Back to top

Man In The Rain Group: Members Posts: 405 Joined: April 2002 Posted: April 06 2003, 17:10 Personally, I think that people who attempt to call other people geeks are in fact geeks themselves, because they cannot be content with people just being who they are, they have to try to label people rather than recognising and appreciating eccentricity or individuality, because they have none of their own! -------------- Hergest Ridge 165 - Ommadawn 038 - Incantations 243 Back to top

Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: April 07 2003, 08:23 Quote I think that people who attempt to call other people geeks are in fact geeks themselves Hmm... aren't you a geek then?   Just kiddin'   -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

ColdSun2003 Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: April 2003 Posted: April 14 2003, 18:23 Quote (Anonymizeruk @ April 06 2003, 14:26) Being 'normal' means being the same as everyone else. Boring or what? My thoughts exactly!  Nobody wants to lose their individuality just to look 'cool'.   - I like Star Trek Movies - but only because they're very good movies, nothing more! - I don't listen to popular music - because it's 'music' in the loosest possible term, and I'm just not paying for such junk!! - I believe there is no drink better than Lager, so excuse me if I pass on the Aftershocks, WKDs or any other trendy yuppie drink! - Monty Python is old, but, more crucially, very funny.  I just don't get what's funny about Ali G. - Reality TV is only for the voyeuristic and feeble minded.  If you want reality on the TV screen... watch the news! - Never mock a computer programmer... chances are, they're earning more money than you! I suppose 'geekiness' is when things go beyond obsession - when you can't differentiate between the real and the fictional. Back to top

Tellur Group: Members Posts: 74 Joined: Oct. 2002 Posted: May 13 2003, 04:44 I'm a geek and I'm proud of it! But I call us guys Dreamers, because we are superior in comparison to mainstream, and the mainstream sees us as annoying minors. Back to top

Music, the ancient language... Group: Musicians Posts: 407 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: May 13 2003, 07:43 It seems you make the same mistake then. -------------- Read everything I write at own risk. I cannot be held responsible  for depressions and/or suicide attempts of any kind, caused by reading my posts. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: May 13 2003, 08:47 I, myself, seem to have a bit of several kinds of 'geeks', if you know what I mean. I belong to a group of Simpsons fanfiction writers, but I've never been into reading all kinds of fantasy books a la Lord Of The Rings or Discworld (I almost don't read at all, you know). And I never watched Star Trek. But I am good at computer programming, and I'm in a course right now. I also like all sorts of progressive rock, Jarre, and of course, Mike Oldfield, and I write instrumental music myself. So I guess I'm a... mutant? -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

Justin Unregistered Posted: May 16 2003, 00:57 Mike Oldfield is definitely part of Geek culture. It's not like you could put an Oldfield cd at 'hip and sophisticated parties since it would sound far too profound next to Kruder & Dorfmeister or Moby. Although I'm cultured and intelligent, I don't consider myself a geek in the classic sense, that is one who is a computer wiz, likes fantasy role play, and can tolerate anything about star-trek. I'm an architect, can't do math, read lots of history, sociology, or French novels and can't stand fantasy or science fiction. I love techno-pop music, especially with witty lyrics, and Oldfield is one of the few in my music collection I could consider 'acoustic' or rock-oriented. But when I read these posts, it's quite evident that there is a pattern of similarities among contributors. Although I can understand many people's point of view that Geeks take the lead and change society, one should be cautious not to sound too condescending towards 'normal people'. Geeks have bright ideas and endless creativity, but sometimes 'normal' people see things in common sensical and clear-headed way that act as a necessary check against geek power. Know-it-alls have brought their fair share of tragedy on entire populations throughout human history. Another point I'd like to make is that Mike Oldfield is not that much of an outsider. Earlier in his career, his reclusiveness sure resulted in unique music, but since the late seventies, his albums have been one long list of every pop-music fashion of the last twenty-five years. In his recent output, it often seems that he's trying to play catch-up than to go his own way. Oldfield embodies a lot of classic Geek qualities listed in other posts above. But he could use a 'normal' person like a good producer and marketer, or even a game designer. Geeks are sometimes too quick to cast off frank criticism or an acceptance of reality found among most 'normal' people. Back to top

Blue Dolphin Group: Members Posts: 1232 Joined: Nov. 1999 Posted: May 16 2003, 22:29 I always thought, when I hear the word "geek", of people who are not very social, not paying attention to their personal health, and spending hours and hours behind their computer getting to score even higher in the Quake frag skills (or something similar)... remember Bill Gates? Mike is most certainly not of the geek culture... Tati mentioned it before. I think him more of a dreamer... I regard myself as a dreamer too. I find myself gazing in the distance for hours and hours dreaming of things... and then suddenly asked by the nearby person if I'm still in this world. -------------- -The mark of a good musician is to play one note and mean it- Mike Oldfield - 1980 Back to top

DanishDonJuan Group: Members Posts: 137 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Oct. 03 2003, 06:23 Blue Dolphin I agree with your definition of 'Geek' & have never sought myself a geek, as I'm quite social, & not a huge computer fan. I too am a dreamer & hope to find more Oldfield fans be 'Dreamers' than 'Geeks'. To me a 'dreamer' have contact with reality & hopes for a better world. While a 'geek' have little contact with reality, but creates his own reality. Dreamers are more romantics I thinks. Perhaps I'm wrong. Anyway if Bill Gates is considered a 'geek' I would rather not attach that label to myself. -------------- If every road we traveled were the easy, we would be weak, and would eventually think every road difficult. If every road we traveled tough, we would be strong and eventually think no road to be difficult. Its the tough road that leads to happiness. A smooth sea never made a great sailor. Back to top

Sir Mustapha Group: Musicians Posts: 2802 Joined: April 2003 Posted: Oct. 03 2003, 06:48 I guess you can't call Mike "Geek Culture". I don't think he'd get along well with Fantasy, RPGs and Star Trek. And there's nothing wrong with being a 'geek'. You know, the geeks of 2003 are different from the geeks of 1983. -------------- Check out http://ferniecanto.com.br for all my music, including my latest albums: Don't Stay in the City, Making Amends and Builders of Worlds. Also check my Bandcamp page: http://ferniecanto.bandcamp.com Back to top

DanishDonJuan Group: Members Posts: 137 Joined: Sep. 2003 Posted: Oct. 03 2003, 07:00 I'am somewhat of a Geek too, but I'm more of a Dreamer. I prefer, being outside & with people to being in front of the computer or reading books. I do like computers & books though. I read fantasy, has played rpg games, enjoy computer games & technology. So I have nothing against Geeks at all. It is just, that I perhaps have seen too many 'Geeks' who think themselves superior & have little social skills, for they like to be in control & only feel they can control their computer world & not people & as a result they make little effort in making friends. I know not all 'Geeks' are like that, like I said I have 'geek' tendensies too, I just see myself quite different from a Bill Gates feks. -------------- If every road we traveled were the easy, we would be weak, and would eventually think every road difficult. If every road we traveled tough, we would be strong and eventually think no road to be difficult. Its the tough road that leads to happiness. A smooth sea never made a great sailor. Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: Oct. 04 2003, 14:53 Mike Oldfield = geek culture? Don´t think so really. Ppl is not product to add a label on it. Mike Oldfield = not outsider? I don´t agree.I remember reading once in a interview where he said he was and outcast and outsider.Mike´s point of view is,IMHO,very different from most ppl...he doesn´t understand some things around him...he´s a different kind of artist... Ppl say that I´m a little bit of a geek. But I think I´m a mix of a lot of things...but I consider myself as an outsider really. Oldfield fans are common ppl,with a different perception of the world we live in,as well as Mike himself. -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

timshen Group: Members Posts: 684 Joined: Mar. 2001 Posted: Oct. 08 2003, 12:48 Sir Mustapha siad: Quote I don't think he'd get along well with Fantasy, RPGs and Star Trek. Actually, it's common knowledge amongst Oldfield fans that Mike is A Trekkie (Star Trek fan). It seems to me that people identify with Mike's music in differing ways. There definitely is a 'geekish' group who identify with it but that's only one group. These would be the Sci Fi, Computer freaks. Another group would be the 'dreamers' or 'visionaries' who would not necessarily like Sci Fi and computers but would be creative musicians or the like. Then, of course, there's blends of the above two. -------------- Expect Great Things. Attempt Great Things. Back to top

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