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Posted: June 08 2002, 00:13

*im not sure but i think 'into wonderlan' is the name of the other song on one of the platinum versions or somethn...that being said:*

im confused about these songs...are they the same song? are they different? why does one version of platinum have one and another version have another? am i missing anything if ive only heard sally? if they are the same song, why was it renamed?

please inform me...

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Posted: June 08 2002, 05:50

Hey, when you want to win the second quiz you better find out for yourself...

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Posted: June 08 2002, 10:02

quiz? what quiz? confused

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Posted: June 08 2002, 10:55

http://www.mikeoldfield.org/competitions/index.htm

Better read this...

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Posted: June 08 2002, 12:32

sigh....perfect timing for me to ask this question.... frown

lol

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Posted: Aug. 06 2002, 05:43

If you really need to know, see either the Questions and Answers section or the Platinum section or the Discography.

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Posted: June 25 2003, 16:57

I knew of this affair around 1993 and I think I remember I saw in a record shop some CDs that stated the song Into Wonderland while others said Sally. Someone can confirm that Into The Wonderland title had appeared in the back cover of any edition while most of the editions that contain this song feature Sally at the back cover?

Well, I'll tell you a story  :D . When this album appeared the track list include the song Sally (2nd of the B side), this track is something like the central song of the album (one melody of Sally appears at Platinum-part 1 and another at the start of Punkaddidle). Soon after the album had reached the shops Richard Branson decided that the song must be taken out from the record, so it only appeared at the few first copies. The official version is that Branson didn't liked the song and asked Mike to substitue the song with another, that new song was Into Wonderland.

Into The Wonderland appeared from then on in all the editions of Platinum, including the remastered edition and (nearly?) always under the title Sally.

But there's another story behind this change. At that time Mike's girlfriend was Sally Cooper (and probably, if Molly hadn't been born she was going to be born soon). It is said that Richard Branson tried to win Sally's heart  :O , something that, as you can imagine, Mike didn't like very much. As a vengeance wrote this song in which he calls Branson a gorilla. Branson didn't like this neither and menace Mike to substite the song or he would retire the album from the record shops to demonstrate who was the boss.

For some reason at the track list remained Sally. That have made some people wonder if the track called Into The Wonderland wouldn't really be Sally. Another proof to that idea is that Wendy Roberts said that Mike called her to sing another song for the album and that he always refeared to that song as Sally. In my opinion this isn't enough because we all know that sometimes when you are recording a song this has a name that can be changed at the end (such as Nativity or A Bag Of Secrets). That only proves that Mike didn't have a title for the song at that moment  :cool: . Another explanation it would be that they could have planned to change the song but not the title (can someone confirm that the name Into The Wonderland has appeared in any copy?).

Sorry for having posted a so long post  :zzz:
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Posted: June 25 2003, 17:34

Yes Spinne, I can confirm that the title "Into Wonderland" really has been used because I own both albums on vinyl.

So, to be really clear: on the second edition the song "Into Wonderland" is listed on the cover as "Into Wonderland", not as "Sally".


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Posted: June 26 2003, 16:16

Ok, thank you. I doubted it because I can't find a reason to use the name Sally when they know they're including Into The Wonderland (or they don't know?  :O ).
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Posted: June 26 2003, 20:08

I actually doubt they know - look at all the other mistakes which have appeared on the covers of Mike's work (especially the remasters!;)...

The original excuse for the name not changing was that it meant that the artwork didn't have to be altered. I suppose that when they came to do subsequent editions, they referred back to the original artwork rather than the altered one (perhaps only the master copies of the original were kept), and really, the record company probably don't care what title's written there, as long as there's a track of some sort listed!

If the song Sally is meant to be calling anyone a Gorilla, I have to say it does it rather subtly, but perhaps Richard B was having a perceptive moment at the time.
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Posted: June 30 2003, 15:48

Or perhaps Branson is just a plain moron. :cool:

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Posted: Aug. 29 2003, 22:08

I always thought Gorilla was referring to Mike ('Sally i'm just a Gorilla';) - maybe Richard B. is the 'Ape from Manila' (I know he's not from the Philippines but it rhymes!;). :D

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Posted: April 14 2005, 06:47

I just downloaded "Sally" and now can't stop playing it. It's fantastic -- I love the references both to Side 1 of the record and the transmission between "Sally" and "Punkadiddle". Superb stuff. "Unprofessional" -- maybe. But then, I prefer something that's unprofessional and funny, witty, smart and has a tune I'm humming after one listen to something polished and deadly boring.

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Posted: April 14 2005, 06:55

Quote (Navaira @ April 14 2005, 06:47)
I love the references both to Side 1 of the record and the transmission between "Sally" and "Punkadiddle". Superb stuff.

Me too.  I think it's such a shame that the track was excised.  Branson can be such an ass!

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Posted: Sep. 16 2005, 16:18

SALLY IS GREAT!! One of my favourite MO songs actually, even though the lyrics are stupid they have meaning behind all that silliness, just a man getting his message accross in a way that he could do comfortably, Mike wasn't a very confident chap then anyway........

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Posted: Sep. 17 2005, 03:36

I'm afraid I don't like either. Personally speaking, I find both 'Sally' and 'Into Wonderland' pants. Mind you, the whole of Side 1 of Platinum was well worth parting with my hard earned (pocket money I might add  ;)  ) at the time.

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Posted: Oct. 02 2005, 09:00

where can i get the gorilla sally version?

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Posted: Feb. 07 2008, 03:14

Who wrote the lyrics to "Into Wonderland"?

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Posted: Feb. 08 2008, 18:52

@ Sweetpea: Mike did. For the original "Sally", Mike co-wrote the lyrics with Nico Ramsden.

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Posted: Feb. 09 2008, 02:45

Thanks, Ugo. I think the lyrics are sweet, though a bit odd grammatically.

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