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Ginger Daddy Group: Members Posts: 401 Joined: April 2002 Posted: Oct. 04 2005, 03:50 Just as an aside... his new album features virtual vocalists and on Surfing and Tears Of An Angel (at least) actual lyrics... do people think of these as instrumentals or songs...? IMHO they're songs (unlike Our Father and Nightshadein which the title is repeated with no actual meaning or additional lyrics). Cheers, Terry. -------------- http://purplerhapsody.co.uk - no words, just emotions Back to top

raven4x4x Group: Members Posts: 1535 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: Oct. 04 2005, 04:50 Hmm, I'd certainly consider Surfing a song, but Tears of an Angel might just sneak in as an instrumental. I don't have a strict definition, it pretty much depends on my mood. -------------- Thank-you for helping us help you help us all. Back to top

jonnyw Group: Members Posts: 522 Joined: Oct. 2005 Posted: Oct. 13 2005, 10:07 I prefer instrumental, and i resentthem not being accepted as "songs" because they are "songs" i have an instrumental I have written called "cactus and monk" it is 3 1/2 minutes long, and has a structure like any lyrical song, the guitar sings in it other than a human being. -------------- Grand piano. Reed and pipe organ. Glockenspeil. Bass guitar. Vocal chords. Two slightly sampled electric guitars. The venitian effect. Digital sound processor. And Tubular bells. Solo music - http://-terrapin-.bebo.com Band music - http://www.rsimusic.com Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Oct. 14 2005, 11:05 I think that "Surfing" is structured as a song with verse, chorus and solo - so it's definitely a song. The lyrics don't sound (to me...) as relevant in "Tears" as they are in "Surfing", but I would't call "Tears" a purely instrumental piece. Would you call "Natural blues" by Moby an instrumental? That said... @ Jonnyw: I perfectly understand what you mean. There's a song by Gary Moore (or by Thin Lizzy, I don't remember the exact credit) called "Parisienne walkways", where the part he sings is very shorter (and IMHO less melodic) than what he plays on the guitar. Also "Summer song" by Joe Satriani sounds like a song, as the title says. Sometimes a song doesn't really need words/lyrics/vocals to be such - it's a "song without words". This concept is as old as Mendelssohn, and maybe even older. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Jan. 15 2010, 05:03 I found this thread while having a wander through the extensive collection that is Tubular.net. The reason: I think a compilation album with Mike's best instrumentals on one side and most popular songs on side B might be successful. There are many to choose from, long and short. So to answer the question Mike asked in Madrid 2004, I would say have a compilation album with a mix of long and short instrumentals, re arranged and re mixed. What do other people think? Deb Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 15 2010, 07:15 I used to do compilition tapes like most of us here.I used to have seperate ones for Oldfield Instrumentals and Oldfield Songs.I have always preferred his instrumental work as some of his songs sound abit 'forced' IMHO.However he has done some good songs.Shine and Pictures In The Dark are often overlooked but i bought both when they came out at the tender age of 10 for PITD and 11 for Shine and i think they are really good songs and both have nice guitar solos,especially Shine which is one of my all time favourite solos.  If it were to come to a compilation then i'd say a double cd would be best.One cd for the instrumental and one for songs.  I think it would be better if the instrumental one concentrated on the shorter peices rather than extracts from albums.To be honest if such a compilation were to come to fruition then it would be fans that would buy it in the main so we'd already have all the long albums anyway.Ok we'd probably have most of the shorter stuff as well but it would be nice to see them together in one place and there's a few rare peices that would be nice to have on a cd. In particular i'd like to see the below instrumental peices: Song Of The Boatman Indian Lake Afghan Mike Oldfield's Single (original un-tinkered with version) Spanish Tune Pipe Tune Wreckorder Wrondo There's hundreds you could choose from but they would be my top choices. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4761 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Jan. 15 2010, 07:34 Quote (The Caveman @ Jan. 15 2010, 07:15) Song Of The Boatman Indian Lake Afghan Mike Oldfield's Single (original un-tinkered with version) Spanish Tune Pipe Tune Wreckorder Wrondo There's hundreds you could choose from but they would be my top choices. I agree that "Song of the Boatman" is the best of the hard-to-get short instrumentals - particularly in the context of that marvelous video on youtube that someone posted not long ago. I like "Indian Lake" too - the only trouble is the name reminds me of the pop song of the same name by the Cowsills - anyone remember them? No? Well, cop this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJF6xSpDdZs Back to top

The Caveman Group: Members Posts: 2178 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 15 2010, 07:36 And with resect to your tastes we'd have to make sure it was a good spread across the years.I fairness he released some cracking little peices in the 80's and 90's. -------------- THE COMING OF THE GREAT WHITE HANDKERCHEIF IS NIGH. Back to top

Scatterplot Group: Members Posts: 1980 Joined: Dec. 2007 Posted: Jan. 16 2010, 02:21 Yes Deb, thats actually an easy and fun thing to do. One time, I think it was about a year perhaps a little more ago. An old thread about Mike and heavy metal. I had been inquiring about where to get simple software that would fade in/out MP3 and .Wav songs into a single long file. Someone led me in the right direction and I found the sotfware. Made a 45-50 minute compilation of MO's best git stuff(5MO, Amarok, Incantations, etc.) ending with the climactic deafening end to Taurus 2. A fun way to kill 3-4 hours. Really cool, you just pick the fade in/out points and drag the mouse up or down to create fades. Stick these together in the order you want and render one long file, FUN stuff!     Which leads me to DJaying. Something I never quite understood. I had a conversation with a guy at my job who had a huge PA/Deejay system tucked away in his office. I asked "why are so many deejay packages sold that have 2 LP record turntables on top?" As so few releases are made on LP, why, why?? Plus pops and ticks, why? His answer had no credibility and led me to my natural conclusion that they are "for show". I told him my approach to being a DeeJay would be this: I would make several "sets" of dance/electronica/pop music in the same way as the MO compilation. Several 30 or 40 minute "well thought out" WAV files faded in/out this way. Save them on a good laptop computer which would be kept out of sight. Put a low budget DeeJay system visible to the audience which does NOTHING. Then covertly reach under a shelf and click "play" on the laptop which has it's line out connected to a PA system. I'd have a mic and say the normal things, "I wanna see some hips swing!"......"yayaay boys and girls!"...."Let's get it up!" Cool huh? These files of course periodically updated to include Miley Cyrus or what not's new hits.....     Just a fun thought. I'm sure I'm not the first to think of it. But it would be the best logical approach to satisfying the crowd and my need for sonic perfection in delivery of "the product" Plus I just stand there and look/sound cool. Funky hat perhaps.....and a colorful poncho. Oh and shades, yeah. Jim -------------- We raise our voices in the night Crying to heaven And will our voices be heard Or will they break Like the wind Back to top

ex member 419 Group: Members Posts: 1177 Joined: April 2008 Posted: Jan. 16 2010, 05:53 Shake that groove thang Jim! Its true, most Deejay gigs have the bells and whistles but the music is downloaded and ready to run, and turntables? No real purpose unless for rap and hip hop scratching! Having fun sorting through Mike's shorter instrumentals and loading them. Will tinker with the ones I want to keep and let you know the running order. You can let me know where I stuff up tech wise! Promise I won't breach copyright laws or play the line up at any gigs, its just for fun! Deb Back to top

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