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captainjjb Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: June 21 2006, 02:06 My version of Incantations is off the original CD release, AAD, no remaster, nothing.  Just wondered if anyone thought the remaster was worth the purchase.  Is there any noticeable difference? Back to top

amazarak Group: Members Posts: 284 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: June 23 2006, 03:01 Some older editions of Incantations did not contain the whole music material. As the HDCD ermastered edition does contain the whole thing (see this thread), this may be the major reason to buy it. But first make sure that the cd that You already have is trimmed. Sound quality may be another matter, but I have no idea whether there is any significant difference (I've got only 'hdcd remastered' ). best regards amazarak -------------- Just hold your heading true Got to get your finest out Back to top

Jammer Group: Members Posts: 641 Joined: April 2000 Posted: June 23 2006, 09:19 Out of all the HDCD remasters, Incantations is generally reported to have the most noticeable difference to the original CD. What they are, I don't know. Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: June 27 2006, 08:25 I am literally running out the door at the moment (i.e., no time to link), but if you scroll down in the Incantantations forum (there are only two pages of topics), you will find the Whining topic, which might be of interest (about a high-pitched noise) and then on the second page there is another Remasterd topic from a couple of years ago. I have the remastered on my iPod...maybe I'll give it a go this morning on my run and see if I have any fresh insight. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: June 29 2006, 22:08 Well....I didn't.    Actually, the moon wasn't around (bumping along too close to the sun, since new moon had been a couple of days before) and there weren't any herons in sight. Double bummer. At that point I realised how much certain things (like a visible moon and herons) add to my enjoy of any version of Incantations. Then, I started focusing on every ache and pain and forgot to concentrate on the music. But...I realised that I will need to upload the old version to the iPod and do another comparison. Plus, soon I will have some Sennheiser headphones, so maybe I will hear all kinds of things (hopefully all good! ).   -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

captainjjb Group: Members Posts: 310 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: June 30 2006, 02:11 thanks for the replies everyone.  Judging by all the chat about this on the forum I'll wait until they have another go at it.  There's nothing wrong with the version I have and I don't remember any cuts from Vinyl, but all this comment about high pitched noises and the like is rather worrying.  It's my favourite Oldfield piece. Back to top

OneGeneratuonTooLate Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: April 2006 Posted: July 01 2006, 07:54 Quote (Inkanta @ June 29 2006, 22:08) Well....I didn't.    Actually, the moon wasn't around (bumping along too close to the sun, since new moon had been a couple of days before) and there weren't any herons in sight. Double bummer. At that point I realised how much certain things (like a visible moon and herons) add to my enjoy of any version of Incantations. Then, I started focusing on every ache and pain and forgot to concentrate on the music. But...I realised that I will need to upload the old version to the iPod and do another comparison. Plus, soon I will have some Sennheiser headphones, so maybe I will hear all kinds of things (hopefully all good! ).   Well, unless you are ripping the CD to some kind of lossless format (I.E. Not MP3), you can't really say anything. it's also a HDCD, and will definitely sound better in compatible equipment. Too bad it's so damn expensive. Does Mike think all his fans are millionaires? Back to top

amazarak Group: Members Posts: 284 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: July 01 2006, 18:26 Quote (OneGeneratuonTooLate @ July 01 2006, 13:54) Well, unless you are ripping the CD to some kind of lossless format (I.E. Not MP3), you can't really say anything. it's also a HDCD, and will definitely sound better in compatible equipment. Too bad it's so damn expensive. Does Mike think all his fans are millionaires? I would even say - unless You listen on a professional studio equipment... Well, maybe studio equipment is not neccessary but certainly You can't judge basing on a low-end consumer stuff like iPods and Sennheisers (at least not top-notch models). Generally speaking, checking the music quality using any headphones is not the best idea - they affect the original contents too much. cheers amazarak -------------- Just hold your heading true Got to get your finest out Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 01 2006, 22:02 Well, and not only that, but I'm never listening under optimum conditions. When I'm running outside, I have the sound of the wind blowing past my ears, or cars. Inside, it's the treadmill noise. If I'm dancing, there is the thumping of my feet.    But seriously, I will be happy if the Sennheisers don't hurt my ears. And really--when I notice differences, it tends to be when I'm not trying. Suddenly I'll hear something that I didn't recall before. It seems I'm continually discovering different things in Mike's music. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 02 2006, 11:31 I forgot to mention that I didn't even hear the high-pitched whining sound the other morning. Initially I didn't hear it anyway, but at some point it started to annoy me and even contribute to mild headaches at times (alarm systems in a couple of old stores that no longer exist had this effect on me--I could barely shop there--I'm not prone to headaches). Korgscrew had mentioned in the Whining thread that it seemed to be upwards of 18kHz, and a couple of weeks ago, the New York Times carried  an article suggesting that after we reach a certain age, we cannot hear extremely high pitched sounds, like ringtones waving around at 17kHz in a classroom. Now I'm frightened, wondering if my hearing is going. When I get more serious about this (but I cannot be sirius today, only procyon--sorry bad astronomy joke) I will have to see if I can still hear it. Weird as it may sound (no pun intended), if I can still hear the whining, it will be a relief.   -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

amazarak Group: Members Posts: 284 Joined: Mar. 2005 Posted: July 02 2006, 12:45 Quote (Inkanta @ July 02 2006, 04:02) Suddenly I'll hear something that I didn't recall before. It seems I'm continually discovering different things in Mike's music. I agree with You - that's what I love in Mikes' music   But of course we wan't to discover new things in Mikes' music, not in work of remastering engineer amazarak -------------- Just hold your heading true Got to get your finest out Back to top

Alan D Group: Members Posts: 3670 Joined: Aug. 2004 Posted: July 02 2006, 15:45 Quote (Inkanta @ July 02 2006, 16:31) after we reach a certain age, we cannot hear extremely high pitched sounds, like ringtones waving around at 17kHz in a classroom. Now I'm frightened, wondering if my hearing is going. A classic physics demonstration of the limits of hearing (that I've done many times) is to play a high frequency signal at something like 25kHz, and gradually reduce the frequency, asking the members of the assembled throng to put their hand up when they hear something. If it's a roomful of kids, then one or two hands go up as 20kHz approaches. By 18kHz there's a forest of hands. By 17 kHz everyone's hand is up except mine. Then at last I'd kick in at 12-13kHz (it's probably even worse now - it's a few years since I last did this). This isn't all bad news. At least I can no longer hear the fizzy distortion and ssssibilant emphasssssissssss of bad hifi systems..... Back to top

moonchildhippy Group: Members Posts: 1807 Joined: Dec. 2004 Posted: July 02 2006, 19:14 Quote (Alan D @ July 02 2006, 20:45) This isn't all bad news. At least I can no longer hear the fizzy distortion and ssssibilant emphasssssissssss of bad hifi systems..... Sounds a bit like Gollum My Preciousssssss.   . Quote Inkanta   Posted on July 02 2006, 16:31I Korgscrew had mentioned in the Whining thread that it seemed to be upwards of 18kHz, and a couple of weeks ago, the New York Times carried  an article suggesting that after we reach a certain age, we cannot hear extremely high pitched sounds, like ringtones waving around at 17kHz in a classroom. Now I'm frightened, wondering if my hearing is going. Me too,I sometimes wonder about my hearing, or maybe it's a sign another birthday is nearly here   .  If I am gong to become cloth eared when I'm older there's not much I can do about it, still as long as I don't become a nincompoop,as that would really add insult to injury   . BTW what version of Incantations is it that the whining is present on??? Can't say I've noticed the whiny noise on my HDCD. -------------- I'm going slightly mad, It finally happened, I'm slightly mad , just very slightly mad If you feel a little glum to Hergest Ridge you should come. I'm challenging  taboos surrounding mental health "Part time hippy" I'M SUPPORTING OUR SOLDIERS BRING OUR TROOPS HOME NOW!! Back to top

Inkanta Group: Admins Posts: 1453 Joined: Feb. 2000 Posted: July 04 2006, 22:30 Quote (Alan D @ July 02 2006, 14:45) This isn't all bad news. At least I can no longer hear the fizzy distortion and ssssibilant emphasssssissssss of bad hifi systems..... Alan....that's way too positive, haha! Actually, we should put together a "top ten" advantages of growing older. Not sure I could come up with ten, but inability to hear fuzzy--or is that fizzy--need to figure out where I left my reading glasses--sounds like one reason. Quote Inkanta   Posted on July 02 2006, 16:31I BTW what version of Incantations is it that the whining is present on??? Can't say I've noticed the whiny noise on my HDCD. It is on the remastered HDCD, yeah. If my hearing hasn't been damaged yet, the firecrackers people are setting off on behalf of 4 July are soooooo loud and sooooo close that it could change. -------------- "No such thing as destiny; only choices exist." From:  Moongarden's "Solaris." Back to top

trcanberra Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 23 2008, 06:58 Hmm - must be in the old and fuzzy group then - bought it the other day and sounded great - no whines (or firecrackers he he). Back to top

lostrom Group: Members Posts: 53 Joined: Feb. 2006 Posted: Oct. 14 2008, 19:48 Of corse it is, as the very poor sounding original cd wasn't even complete! Back to top

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