Ugo
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Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 07:52 |
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I SAY, I SAY, I SAY JOKE/RIDDLE is in the UK! & its only because you are not born & bred there that you do not know this. How do you know that MO did not fight to get his original version included, might it not be that the record company VIRGIN rejected it as a bit to strange, after all it certainly is! is it not? & regarding omitting it completely well that is odiously not the case its here now for us all to hear lovingly cherished as good as the day it was created unlike some pieces in other works!.
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4. I can only say one should reread his own posts on other topics.
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8. Most the people I have ever known in the UK have from the age of 6 been perfectly capable of competently using a variety of drawing instruments & aids in fact most 6/7 year old could reproduce a perfectly adequate representation of a circular shape, however, by age 10 we would have also gained the knowledge that in order to draw a circle with a compass one must have a centre, if not one may have to resort to a ruler and a bottle/glass. |
I have a vague feeling that I should stop replying in this thread, because all of this is scaring me. And the reason why it's scaring me is that it's becoming awfully similar to a Paul Is Dead situation. (@ eye-one, if you are not aware of what Paul Is Dead is, see here). The Paul Is Dead legend started filtering in Italy during the middle Eighties. I was about fifteen at the time and I remember being dead scared of the simple fact that a pop group could deliberately hide clues in lyrics, album covers, etc. about a truth they don't want anyone to know. This whole thread here, with this insistence on hidden riddles, hidden clues within the music, hidden clues within the lyrics, hidden clues within Mike Oldfield's name, etc., is reminding me of the Paul Is Dead story, and it is scaring me.
However, before I stop, I shall reply to the latest points up here.
1. Yes, I'm not British, but I think I do know the English language well enough to teach it, as I'm a teacher of English. And I know that "I say, I say, I say" in English and especially in the UK is the marker of a joke - not of a riddle. There's a wide difference. Specifically, "I say, I say, I say" marks the beginning of a question whose answer is supposed to be funny. For example: "I say, I say, I say, why does an Italian policeman always go around with a partner? Because he can write and his partner can read!" If the question has no answer, as in Mike's case, it's because the question itself is supposed to be funny, and, as the question is nonsensical, the fun is in the fact that the question is supposed to have no answer, not in the fact that the answer is mysterious. Lewis Carroll wrote: "Why is a raven like a writing desk?" (notice that he did not write "I say, I say, I say, why is a raven...") and he never gave an answer.
2. When Mike recorded TB, he put a jocular spoken word piece at the end, which Richard Branson rejected. By the time Mike recorded Ommadawn, he'd become so famous (thanks to the success of TB) that Virgin would release everything coming from him, even nonsense - they wouldn't reject it any longer. The reason why the I Say I Say I Say bit is not in Ommadawn as we know it is that Mike had got tired, by then, of being jocular (especially at the end of an elongated piece of music) and so he deliberately omitted it. So I will correct myself here - I didn't think he had to fight at all to get his spoken piece released, he just didn't want to.
3. I don't like people twisting my words. I never said, neither here nor in other topics, that Mike is a man of nonsense. I said that the spoken piece at the end of the Ommadawn demo (and only that piece, not Mike's entire discography, not his personal beliefs and ideas) is nonsensical, as it is meant as a joke and nothing else. By saying that I consider Mike to be a man of nonsense, you are twisting my words. I think it's wrong to twist other people's words into an argument to support ideas that other people don't share.
4. When I was referring to glasses vs. compasses, I wasn't talking about kids. I was talking about ignorant adults who have no education. "He draws the O with a glass" is a synonym of an uneducated adult.
Finally, I would like to send out a personal message to you, eye-one. I admire you for your courage and the strenght you display in expressing your opinion. I admire you for the richness of the argumentations you use to support your opinion. And there is no trace of a smiley in your text, which means you are entirely serious about what you write and I also admire you for that. I am happy for you about all this, because everyone here is entitled to express his opinion. However, it seems to me that what you are doing here is trying to convince other people who have a different opinion from yours that your opinion is right and theirs is not. Or, in other words, you are trying to impose your opinion on other people. This, I think, is wrong. I'm not sure of whether it's against the rules of a discussion forum, but it just looks wrong to me.
-------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian
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