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Posted: Sep. 02 2011, 01:43 |
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Just to update you all on progress so far I have as yet had no reply from several of the European sources such as MENSA regarding knowledge of this type of encryption yet ever hopeful that someone will reply I will hold on a little while longer before having to rely upon a brave individual of British upbringing to step forward and remember his being taught such things at maybe Sunday school or in a pre school convent where I first heard of it.
ANYONE REMEMBER being shown/quizzed on these things at school possibly pre sixties era :-
When I was in my youth a teacher set us the puzzle, WHAT HAS HALF A WHEEL, 1 BOTTLE & 1 LEG? the answer was the word [ Dog ]!.
I have also come across this riddle , what has no legs, 1 bottle & 2 separate halves of a wheel? = [COD].
There is also this version, what has in this case no legs, 1 bottle, no eyes (yet sees every thing) & two parts of a wheel? = [?X?]
The last two examples were taught to us in convent preschool classes by the nuns when we were about age 5.
The answer was of course [ GOD ]. The hope that anyone will come forward to face the sort of barrage of ridicule that I have faced is for time alone to tell so I will now move on.
Ugo you say the lost version was not known as the lost demo, sorry I must point you to what it is called here on this site and that is "Ommadawn Lost Demo". This is from the link tab to the written lyrics below where again it is also called LOST DEMO & not lost version, if when you enter this page you look to the right upper side you will note yet again it is called other than lost version, however this is a minor point not worth arguing over or nit picking at, so lets move onto more interesting things.
In the LOST DEMO LYRICS BELOW WE THINK WE HAVE SPOTTED A MINOR YET MAYBE SIGNIFICANT ERROR in that the word DOG is repeated not 2 times but on the version we are listening to it is repeated 3 times in one channel of the speakers & once in the other channel possibly making a total of four times but the weird thing is I think I hear the complete reversal of DOG in the other channel, now remember before getting all up tight some of you I SAY I THINK I MAY HEAR HERE the word in reverse. I where I am do not have my hands on the best gear to properly analyze this so I am asking the rest of you to do so, if you have the know how.
You will need to be able to using high quality head phones, isolate using the balance feature LEFT-MIDDLE-RIGHT settings to break the stereo sound down into channels to be heard separately also you will need to, using EQ/equalisation of the frequencies around 1K drown out the instruments & if at all possible adjust the play back speed as well.
The three/4 repeats of the word dog can be easily heard in the version linked to in the earlier post here linked too & using purely the basic controls of any decent sound card should allow you to hear 3/4 repeats of the word dog no matter how RUFF RUFF RUFF it is! tat DA for now, HAPPY LISTENING & READING I1... ( I hear the sound of thunder rolling in! that's rough rough rough) ------------------------------------------------------------ Lost Demo
Mike 1 I say I say I say. Who's got the biggest nose you've ever seen?
Mike 2 I don't care about that. How big's his bottle?
Mike 1 Never mind about bottle. I've got much more important things on my mind.
Mike 2 Well have you? Tell about them.
Mike 1 Well I was walking down the road the other day and I saw a dog (((MISSING PART IS THE ECHO VOICE SAYS "SAW A DOG"))) Mike 2 Did you?
Mike 1 ((("YEAH" not yes))) I saw a dog(((?"GOD"? in right channel))). I said to him "how are you feeling?" ((( why is he talking to a dog one may ask???))) Mike 2 What did he say?
Mike 1 He said "Ruff Ruff Ruff"
Mike 2 I say I say I say I say
Mike 1 Whasat whasat whasat
Mike 2 Er, er, er erm, er ,er
Mike 1 Spit it out man. Spit it out. Whasat?
Mike 2 What's got, er, no legs and 5 eyes?
Mike 1 No legs and 5 eyes. I don't know. What's got no legs and 5 eyes.
Mike 2 err err
Mike 1 What's got no legs and 5 eyes?
Mike 1 Err err
Mike 2 What's got no legs and 5 eyes?
Mike 1 Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear
Mike 2 What's got no legs and 5 eyes?
Mike 1 I say I say I say
Mike 2 Yes yes?
Mike 1 What's got 1 wheel, 2 legs and no eyes?
Mike 2 What's got no legs, 1 wheel. I don't know.
Mike 1 What's got no legs, 1 eye and 2 wheels
Mike 2 I say I say I say I say
Mike 1 Yes?
Mike 2 What's got 1 leg, 3 wheels and no eyes?
Mike 1 I don't know. What has got no eyes, 3 wheels and 1 leg
Mike 2 Oh never mind that. I say I say I say I say. What's got 3 bottles and 5 eyes and no legs and 2 wheels.
Mike 1 Well I wouldn't know. What's got 5 wheels, 5 bottles, 3 legs and half a wheel?
Mike 2 Well I haven't a clue. I say I say I say
Mike 1 Yes?
Mike 2 What's got 3.... Oh dear ---------------------------------------------------------------- (((ANY INCLUSIONS/ADDITIONS I HAVE MADE ARE WITHIN TRIPLE BRACKETS in the above))) Below is Ugo's post for ref only.
Quote (0 @ 1(I1)+Aug. 23 2011, 17:39) | Dear Milamber & Ugo I can find no evidence that the so called lost version was completely lost to Mike, I was under the impression that it was only lost to us, that he possessed the demo version that was rejected by the powers to be at virgin. |
The "Lost Version" was lost because the tapes got demagnetized (the oxide fell off them because of the very high number of overdubs) and Mike had to re-do it all again from scratch. There is ample documentation available in books and on the Web regarding this incident. And I think that Mike preferred not to re-record the so-called riddle because there wasn't any chance that he could re-record it exactly as it was, because the whole thing sounds very much like it's completely improvised and not like something which was written anywhere. Just my opinion, of course.
I guess that the "Lost Version" which was issued on the Deluxe Edition came from an acetate - which is what the vinyl record you've seen on that photo probably is. In short, Mike had no need, in 2010, to re-record the so called riddle and he also had no need to remember it. He didn't need any amazing feats of memory. He simply listened to the acetate, then he thought, "Oh Gosh, this is so damn funny - I've got to release this!" And he just did. The piece was definitely not lost forever - this is not what I'm implying. The piece got lost in 1975 because the tapes got demagnetized, so Mike re-recorded it without the so-called riddle and that's the version we all know. But evidently someone preserved the first version (which is not a demo at all - it's the first version of Ommadawn Part One), and someone else (i.e. the people who took care of the Deluxe Edition) was lucky enough to find the medium (as I said, maybe it was an acetate) on which it was preserved, so now we can listen to Mike rambling away in 1975 in all of his silly glory.
I don't think that he was drunk at all while doing that. He was just having fun in the studio. And I'm positively, 100% sure that the speech was recorded in 1975, not in 2010.
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