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dkaycom Group: Members Posts: 443 Joined: Jan. 2002 Posted: July 22 2004, 09:51 Quote (Holger @ July 22 2004, 11:22) How quick people are to call anything with rhythmically spoken words "rap", and anything dancy and electronic, "techno"... and anything orchestral "classical" for that matter, and so forth... yo..... ....and Anne Clark is one of the oldest and most famous female rap-artists for this reason. Later, dkay -------------- Bootlegs should be shared not sold. (BlackCottonMafia) Find more tubular sounds at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Incantations/ Back to top

Spinne Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: May 2003 Posted: July 25 2004, 12:15 Quote (Holger @ July 20 2004, 18:50) Another reason why he might not have included it is that Excalibur is a sword and therefor a symbol of warfare, which might not fit in with the "Peace on Earth" theme of the album. Then Mastermind should have been removed too   IMHO, the gangs, the mafia... they are worse than a sword which is good or bad according in how it is used. And also, if Excalibur (the sword) was the problem he could have changed the title (as he did with Peace On Earth and Liberation) and modify the lyrics. Some alternatives refering to that period of time could have been The Knight, The Manor or To Protect The Lord, just to mention some.   Back to top

Holger Group: Members Posts: 1506 Joined: Feb. 2003 Posted: July 25 2004, 12:29 Quote (Spinne @ July 25 2004, 12:15) The Manor Now that'd have been a nice title   Back to top

afghan Group: Members Posts: 145 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Aug. 01 2004, 14:36 when i heard excalibur,i thought it was good as i did of the rest of the cd but this was m bells i was hearing and not the final cd.when i listend to m bell i was quite dissapointed.i wrote a letter to the m.o fan site and sent them a tape of m bells,they wrote back saying they could understand why it wasnt included because basically it was rubbish,all they wanted to know was where i got the cd from,as they said it must have come from family or friend of mike.anyway i like it. -------------- may you never run aground or fall into the deep deep sound Back to top

Nemo Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Aug. 01 2004, 14:59 I agree that Excalibur fits to Voyager rather than Millennium Bell but the more I heared it the more it recalled me another track from Voyager - The Hero. The idea of both of them is similar - quiet and almost sleepy beggining and elevated ending. Yet still in my opppinion it doesn`t fit anywhere - maybe Oldfield should make an album dedicated to legends, such as one of king Arthur. Then this track would be perfect. -------------- Kolysz mnie dzwiekiem, który koi ból Brzmieniem lekkim, jak oblok plynacy Po niebie wsród gwiazd jasnych, Co swoim blaskiem ogarna trwoge Back to top

afghan Group: Members Posts: 145 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Aug. 01 2004, 15:13 Ledgend's thats the track it fits with.and i agree it does evoke thoughts of knights and king arthur . -------------- may you never run aground or fall into the deep deep sound Back to top

Nemo Group: Members Posts: 9 Joined: July 2004 Posted: Aug. 01 2004, 15:54 Oh - and one thing more when we are talking about TMB - I believe that Oldfield used the synth line from the beginning of The Millenium Bell in track for MusicVR (Joy Ride it was, I think) - in fact when I hear it I find them identical. -------------- Kolysz mnie dzwiekiem, który koi ból Brzmieniem lekkim, jak oblok plynacy Po niebie wsród gwiazd jasnych, Co swoim blaskiem ogarna trwoge Back to top

BOOsTER Group: Musicians Posts: 1024 Joined: Jan. 2003 Posted: Aug. 02 2004, 17:36 Quote (Nemo @ Aug. 01 2004, 21:54) Oh - and one thing more when we are talking about TMB - I believe that Oldfield used the synth line from the beginning of The Millenium Bell in track for MusicVR (Joy Ride it was, I think) - in fact when I hear it I find them identical. yes it's the same... but not sure if it was joy ride...but well I heard it somewhere in MVR too -------------- http://www.djbooster.net Back to top

Spinne Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: May 2003 Posted: Aug. 03 2004, 16:17 As I said in one of my previous post on this topic (in fact in the one in which I talk a bit about each track on the album demo ) this tune on TMB unreleased track was lately used on the bat cave sequence on MusicVR 1. This song is used in the mixes done by fans: in Brandon Blume's Tr3s Lunas II is used in the second part of Joy Ride (the first part is taken from the ants sequence); and in Marcus Junglas' Return To The Origin is the song called Bats Flight Back to top

Sweetpea Group: Members Posts: 1476 Joined: April 2007 Posted: July 06 2007, 03:25 Quote (Spinne @ July 14 2004, 15:20) The Doge's Palace is completely instrumental, no chorus and some interesting (IMO) variations on the tune. Thanks to torbenyj for the link. I noticed "The Doge's Palace" is a bit longer than the album version. I love it. -------------- "I'm no physicist, but technically couldn't Mike both be with the horse and be flying through space at the same time? (On account of the earth's orbit around the Sun and all that). So it seems he never had to make the choice after all. I bet he's kicking himself now." - clotty Back to top

Spinne Group: Members Posts: 397 Joined: May 2003 Posted: July 06 2007, 16:40 If there's someone who still doesn't have this, it was upped to the Oldfield tracker some months ago: http://btt.oldfield.es/torrents-details.php?id=57 If you found it without any seed you can request one using the proper link   Back to top

3Wheeler Group: Members Posts: 828 Joined: Aug. 2007 Posted: May 16 2010, 15:30 I wonder how these Demos got leaked out anyway...!! ? -------------- We're Flying Aeroflot, We've Got Reservations. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Dec. 11 2010, 16:48 Having only recently heard this Early Mix ,what a fascinating listen. A real pity Excalibur was lifted from the final release what a beautiful piece,  would of been great live too. It may of been stolen by The Knights who say Ni   Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Dec. 30 2010, 00:23 Quote (BOOsTER @ Oct. 15 2003, 09:12) I have a mp3 of daliphant...and also some rarities but dunno about bootlegs...don't have too many I think I've only just noticed this. Do any current members have a copy of this? I'm rather fond of the daliphants. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 30 2010, 08:54 @ nightspore: an official Mike Oldfield piece called "Daliphant" doesn't exist; in fact, Mike never meant the Daliphants to have a piece of music... indeed, he never meant them to be reached in the first place! But the truth is that the early demos of the Tr3s Lunas game (i.e. the very short pieces that were online before the proper game was commercialized) went rapidly floating all over the Net with all sorts of different names. The piece known as "Daliphant" is actually either "Alpine Guitar" or "First Steps Real Piano". (I don't remember which one it is, but it's most probably the atmospheric "Alpine Guitar".) Both of them are included in a L+S track called "First Steps",  but I've also got mp3s of the original demos. Let me know if you want any of those... -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Dec. 30 2010, 09:05 Quote (Ugo @ Dec. 30 2010, 08:54) @ nightspore: an official Mike Oldfield piece called "Daliphant" doesn't exist; in fact, Mike never meant the Daliphants to have a piece of music... indeed, he never meant them to be reached in the first place! But the truth is that the early demos of the Tr3s Lunas game (i.e. the very short pieces that were online before the proper game was commercialized) went rapidly floating all over the Net with all sorts of different names. The piece known as "Daliphant" is actually either "Alpine Guitar" or "First Steps Real Piano". (I don't remember which one it is, but it's most probably the atmospheric "Alpine Guitar".) Both of them are included in a L+S track called "First Steps",  but I've also got mp3s of the original demos. Let me know if you want any of those... Thanks, Ugo - as always, you're a fount of information. I thought it was strange that the (theoretically) inaccessible daliphants should have music of their own. If the music is misnamed, and it's part of "First Steps" anyway, I'll leave it at that. But thanks for your offer! Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Dec. 30 2010, 19:36 Quote (nightspore @ Dec. 30 2010, 15:05) If the music is misnamed, and it's part of "First Steps" anyway, I'll leave it at that. But thanks for your offer! I've just listened again to "First Steps" and yes, both pieces are there. The first theme you hear in "First Steps" is an improved version of the "First Steps Real Piano" demo, then, somewhere later within the 10-minute track, you hear a horn-like synthesized guitar - the same sound that was used by Mike for the Handel bit in "Women of Ireland" (i.e. right in the middle). That horn-like melody is what he calls "Alpine Guitar", and most probably what was mistitled "Daliphant". -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Jan. 13 2011, 15:29 Quote (Jammer @ July 12 2004, 01:30) I really like the arpeggiating synth at the beginning of the track. It sounds quite similar to some of the synth sounds on Incantations Just noticed this myself Very similar to the start of part 2 of Incantations . Back to top

trcanberra Group: Members Posts: 349 Joined: Jan. 2008 Posted: Jan. 15 2011, 05:20 Quote (Holger @ July 22 2004, 05:22) How quick people are to call anything with rhythmically spoken words "rap", and anything dancy and electronic, "techno"... and anything orchestral "classical" for that matter, and so forth... It is rap - no need to be defensive about it. Kinda funny, when I first heard MB I thought it an odd track with a beat that would have suited a rap.  Lo and behold when I heard the Saqsay CD, there it was ... Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Jan. 31 2011, 09:04 Given the arthurian conversation on the tubular.net 2011 thread, I thought this video might prove inspirational: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xZdmp098lSY&feature=related Back to top

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