dobyblue
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Posted: May 28 2009, 10:25 |
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| Quote (Ugo @ May 28 2009, 09:50) | Most DVD-Audio discs are all lossy. DTS is obviously the closest approximation to a lossless mix, but it's not lossless.  The reason is that the vast majority of people who own a DVD player have got a DVD-Video player, which doesn't accept a DVD-Audio unless there are some images in it together with the music. And I think that having images (even stills) together with the music doesn't allow the music to be in a lossless format because it wouldn't be played (or read) properly by ordinary DVD-Video players. However, most of the DVD players in today's PCs do read lossless streams on DVD-Audio discs. So, if you've got your PC hooked up to a nice 5.1 system, you're on the roll. |
That's incorrect - DVD-Audio discs are lossless, they contain information in the AUDIO_TS folder which is either PCM or MLP surround and stereo mixes. All lossy mixes (dts/Dolby) reside in the VIDEO_TS folder. If a disc has the DVD-Audio logo on it, then it contains a DVD-Audio mix which is lossless, never lossy. MLP is lossless encoding.
You've misunderstood my question and absolutely no offense intended here but I don't think you understand how DVD-Audio discs work either.
All DVD-Video players will accept DVD-Audio discs because they all include a VIDEO_TS folder with any additional video footage and any lossy mutli-channel mixes of the disc you're buying. It doesn't matter whether or not there are images in with the music, the AUDIO_TS folder is never accessed by a DVD-Video player, it only reads what's in the VIDEO_TS folder.
A DVD-Audio player can access the AUDIO_TS folder, can play the LOSSLESS MLP 5.1 mixes and can also play still images at the same time, it is completely lossless, just like zipping up a word document, just like .flac or .shn encoding. Because the two folders are separate, the DVD-Audio player can read both while the DVD-Video player is perfectly happy playing you the dts or Dolby mutli-channel tracks from the VIDEO_TS folder (lossy) and can play video at the same time. The two are totally separate.
I have a Pioneer Elite DV-48 SACD/DVD-A player hooked up through HDMI to an Onkyo TX-SR805 receiver, because I wanted one with DAC's that allowed for DSD>Analog conversion without hitting the PCM realm. My speaker set-up is as follows:
F - Paradigm Monitor 11v5
C - Paradigm Monitor CC-370v4
R - Paradigm Monitor 11v4
S - Paradigm Servo 15v2
The TB2003 sounds fantastic sonically, although I rarely listen to it simply because the surround mix is terrible as pertains to the panning effects. It sounds like someone just discovered the panning knobs and wanted to twiddle them all day, fnarr, fnarr.
I hope that the new 5.1 mix is done concentrating on the music, rather than the surround effects. The TB2003 is enough to make you vomit.
Anyway, I'm not concerned with whether or not I can acheive playback, I'm concerned with what bit depth and sampling rate the 5.1 mix is going to be and whether it will be an actual DVD-Audio discs (MLP = lossless) or just a DVD-Video disc with audio on it (dts/Dolby = lossy).
Oh and I also have a Goldring GR-2 turntable with the 1012GX cartridge and a Parasound pre-amp, which is why I'm interested in getting the vinyl too...but I think I might end up looking for an NM copy of the original pressing.
Hopefully some of the other albums might get the treatment like this? I'd love to get Ommadawn, HR, Incantations, etc., in lossless multi-channel...better yet 24/192 5.1 on Blu-ray Disc, complete with moving pictures instead of still images. Blu-ray is where it's at for the future of HD audio.
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