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Posted: Mar. 03 2000, 16:08

In the Amarok track list (CD booklet) there are entries titled "rachmaninov". Does anybody know which work by Rachmaninov is referred to?

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Posted: April 16 2000, 18:56

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Originally posted by CarstenKuss:
In the Amarok track list (CD booklet) there are entries titled "rachmaninov". Does anybody know which work by Rachmaninov is referred to?


As far as I know there's just one entry called "Rachmaninov" ...
That section is very loosely based on the orchestra theme from the first movement of the Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No. 1.



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Posted: April 17 2000, 11:15

The time on Amarok is:
01:07:20:40 Rachmaninov I
01:07:38:40 Soft Bodhran 2
01:07:59:10 Rachmaninov II
The notes are:
B C# D / C# A B / B C# D / E D C# B.
There are Rachmaninov MIDIs at:
midiworld.com/rachmaninov.htm


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Posted: April 17 2000, 11:51

Well, I'm not an expert in music, and even if I know the first movement of Co #1, I'm not able to compare it to Amarok...

I went to the url mentioned, and I downloaded hte 1st mov.
Can you tell me the timing on this midi file please when this similarity happend ?

Cheers, GMOVJ

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Posted: April 18 2000, 17:25

... nor could I detect any match. Ugo, can you help us?

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Posted: April 19 2000, 16:12

A score and MIDI of the Rachmaninov theme can now be found on my *new* website. Just click my profile above.
(Olivier, how can I switch HTML on in replies?) You can't - UBL code only - Olivier

[This message has been edited by Olivier (edited 04-19-2000).]

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Posted: April 19 2000, 17:45

I correct my answer to CK:
It's not only the first movement. The three "Rachmaninov" sections in Amarok are freely inspired to the WHOLE concerto.
But it IS the Piano Concerto No.1. Trust me. Maybe you cannot identify the notes because Midi files of classical music are often very free reworkings of actual pieces. If you want to hear the real Concerto, buy a CD of it smile or the 'Shine' Motion Picture Soundtrack CD. smile

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Posted: April 19 2000, 18:07

I have a CD of Rachmaninov himself playing the 2nd and 3rd concertos. It's a really old recording, but so do the rachmaninov sections. Is it sampled from a scratchy record or is that just an effect put on
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Posted: April 20 2000, 20:50

Hi, 2distortedguitars. Your idea is interesting, but I don't think that Amarok/Rachmaninov is a sample. To me, the 'noise' on it sounds like turning wheels with ball-bearings. Maybe old-fashioned roller-skates (before they went "in-line", you know?), but definitely NOT vinyl noise! Who knows more?

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Posted: Sep. 06 2000, 12:30

After I've finally listened to the whole of Amarok (...I finally got it, after half a lifetime's looking for it on CD!!...) I can correct ALL of my answers to this: the "Rachmaninov" theme (Theme E in Steve Farrell's analysis) is only vaguely reminiscent of the dramatic, 'heavy' piano style that was typical of Rachmaninov's own playing. There is NO direct reference to ANY piece by Rachmaninov.

P.S. Carsten, I'm sorry I have to disagree with you, but the background noise is, IMHO, really intended to simulate an old vinyl record's noise, whatever it is produced with on Mike's recording!!

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Posted: Sep. 06 2000, 15:26

Thank you, Ugo.

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