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Posted: Jan. 28 2006, 20:21

Have you ever wondered what do those words in Sheba mean?
In my opinion, starting with the name, Sheba means Shiva, the Hindu God.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses/shiva.htm
And if you pay attention to the words and sounds you'll clearly find "mantras" not only in Sheba but in Five Miles Out and Celt as well.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian_....ras.htm

In Celt you can listen the words "nobis rama esto rama". Nobis and esto could be Latin in theory, and it would mean something like "Come to us Rama, Rama it is". Rama is an Avatar or reencarnation of Vishnu (the preserver) whose life is based on the Ramayana epic poem.
http://www.sanskritmantra.com/simple.htm
http://www.mind-surf.net/mantras.htm
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Posted: Feb. 03 2006, 11:11

Sheba has nothing to do with Shiva. Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheba
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Posted: Feb. 03 2006, 11:24

The song is about cat food.

As for "Celt", the "Come to us Rama, Rama it is" line is clearly another one of Mike's many Arthur C Clarke references.


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Posted: Feb. 03 2006, 13:24

I think it's just a play with nonsense words. What about those on Altered State though?

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Posted: Feb. 03 2006, 13:45

It's probably religious too, and the title should have been "altared" :)

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Sheba has nothing to do with Shiva. Check this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheba

NOT SURE YOU ARE RIGHT
http://aumshalom.com/shiva.htm

http://www.viewzone.com/matlock.html

http://www.oocities.org/ebionite23/page20.html

http://hans.wyrdweb.eu/tag/sheba/


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Posted: Sep. 22 2011, 12:41

Yes Tati, it is a play on words and hiawatha, it aint cat food. Uh uh. Whenever QE2 comes up in a thread, I jump in, as it is an album with special meaning/memories for me. The song is about "shiza". Shiza is a product that is associated with being produced in large quantities in Germany. However it is also produced quite regularly(and to varying degrees) all over the world. Jimbo

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Posted: Sep. 22 2011, 13:04

Quote (_ShiNe_ @ Jan. 29 2006, 03:21)
Have you ever wondered what do those words in Sheba mean?
In my opinion, starting with the name, Sheba means Shiva, the Hindu God.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/hindu_gods_and_goddesses/shiva.htm
And if you pay attention to the words and sounds you'll clearly find "mantras" not only in Sheba but in Five Miles Out and Celt as well.
http://www.sanatansociety.org/indian_....ras.htm

In Celt you can listen the words "nobis rama esto rama". Nobis and esto could be Latin in theory, and it would mean something like "Come to us Rama, Rama it is". Rama is an Avatar or reencarnation of Vishnu (the preserver) whose life is based on the Ramayana epic poem.
http://www.sanskritmantra.com/simple.htm
http://www.mind-surf.net/mantras.htm

This is the translation of the last link into English & what I found interesting is that it writes of something similar to Mikes ideas in music of the spheres.  It also fits in with what is mentioned in the refection video Mike put to music & if I am not mistaken the Golden ratio of PHI ☞Ψ may also play a part in this understanding. The video is linked here:- http://tubular.net/forums....t=10364
(Ψ/PHI may well be embedded in the Game Tr3s Luna's if so it may of been placed there in it's programing at the original starting point by & in de"sign" Ψ)  

The following is a translation of the link below.
http://www.mind-surf.net/mantras.htm
Types of mantras

The mantra is usually a word or group of words, but can also be effective in a chant of abstract musical tones. Although there are some that have been used for centuries to achieve certain effects, no one prevents us from creating our own mantras, as in the case of claims.

Bija Mantra - Sound Root

According to Hindu metaphysics everything is made of sound, and everything has a symbolic representation of the energy patterns that compose it, that's the sound "seed" or root, bija mantra. The intent of these mantras is to put the person who pronounces it resonates with the sound object whose root is invoked. Thus, by enl bija mantras knowledge of a domain gives the essence of things, allowing you to create, destroy or alter in various ways. For example, each chakra has a sound associated root, which is said to contain all its essence, and therefore all the secrets of the chakra. Given that each chakra corresponds with their element, it sounds provide root access to the qualities of this element:

Earth: Muladhara: LAM
Water: Swadhisthana: VAM
Fire: Manipura: RAM
Air: Anahata: YAM
Ether: Vishuda: HAM
Ajna: OM
Sahasrara: N (nasal)

Traditional Mantras

There are thousands of prayers and mantras of the different cultures and religions around the world. In some there is a semblance of rhythm and intonation that make us think of a common origin and thus, in long cycles of use to give itself the power of repetition immemorial, but the deeper value of a mantra has to do with what we invest in it.

AOM: The primordia sound great, original sound from which the universe was created, the sound of all sounds together.

OM AH HUM: Three syllables of great power, used for the following purposes: a) purifying the atmosphere before undertaking a ritual or meditation; b) an offering transmute material in its spiritual counterpart.

OM MANI PADME HUM: It means "the jewel of the lotus that resides inside" Mani Padme is the jewel of the lotus, which anchors the essential wisdom of Buddhist teachings, the divine essence, while Hum represent reality without limits embodied within the limits of individual. Hum WELL unites the individual with the universal.

I AM THAT I AM: This version in our language also tends to unite the individual with the universal.

NAMA OM KLIM CRISTAVE HA: It means "in the name of all that my presence crísitica come to me."

Om Namah Shivaya: Means "in the name of Shiva". It is one of the many mantras that invoke the names of divinities.

HO REN GE KYO Namya: The Japanese mantra has a similar meaning as above.

Claims

A statement expressed as a mantra, it supplies powerful effects, as in any language, words are a form of internal structure of the object referred to. For example: "I'm sure I'm here" "I am strong, I am able," "I am happy," Life is love and harmony, "" I am the purity that God created "...



How do they work?

The mantras used the same channels of music and subliminal advertising, although much more charitable intentions. No need to intellectualize the "meaning" or the symbolism of their sound mantra to exert its effects on us. The sound pattern work at the end it will saturate incosnciente conscious thoughts, which in turn affect the rates. In fact, part of the magic of the mantra is that one should not reflect on its meaning, for only thus transcend the fragmentary aspects of the conscious mind and perceive the underlying unity.



How do you use?

Spoken aloud or inwardly in a rhythmic and repetitive.

Some Hindu traditions use a Mapala , a kind of rosary with 108 beads each mantra to recite exact cycles at dawn and sunset.

Amma and other spiritual teachers also tell us to recite every time our mind is not concentrated in a job that requires our full attention to keep our minds and purify our environment clean to avoid impure thoughts, ramblings and lack of concentration.

Judith says Anodea spoken aloud for a few minutes first thing in the morning, "an effective mantra is reverberating silence, mentally, throughout the day and left us with the imprint of the vibration, the image and meaning. It is believed that with each echo, the magic mantra centúa texture on the body as well as mental, in the sense of promoting harmony and order. The activity takes on a new rhythm, everything dances to the rhythm of the mantra. If you choose to fast, it will serve to generate power and overcoming procrastination. If we use a slow mantra, will help us all day to get a state of relaxation and calm. "



To learn more about the mantras, Mind-Surf recommends:

"Mantras" at: The chakras, wheels of vital energy of Anodea Judith, Robin Books, Barcelona, ​​1990.



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Posted: Sep. 22 2011, 16:58

She doesn't say "Nobis". She says "Novish" which has no meaning. "Nobis Rama Esto Rama" sure has a meaning, and it indeed is "Let Rama be with us" whoever Rama is. :D But the fact is that that the words are not "Nobis" and "Esto". They are "Novish" and "Esko". I agree with Tati that it's just nonsense words.

However, Shiva and Sheba are indeed the same. There's lots of other sources, independently from what I1 found, that prove it.


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Posted: Sep. 22 2011, 22:20

I only translated the link & added this bit :-  what I found interesting is that it writes of something similar to Mikes ideas in music of the spheres.  It also fits in with what is mentioned in the refection video that Mike put to music & if I am not mistaken the Golden ratio of PHI ☞Ψ may also play a part in this understanding. The video is linked here:- http://tubular.net/forums....t=10364
(Ψ/PHI may well be embedded in the Game Tr3s Luna's if so it may of been placed there in it's programing at the origin & starting point by & in de"sign" Ψ)  

In reference to this part of the translated text:- According to Hindu metaphysics everything is made of sound, and everything has a symbolic representation of the energy patterns that compose it, that's the sound "seed" or root, bija mantra. The intent of these mantras is to put the person who pronounces it resonates with the sound object whose root is invoked. Thus, by enl bija mantras knowledge of a domain gives the essence of things, allowing you to create, destroy or alter in various ways. For example, each chakra has a sound associated root, which is said to contain all its essence, and therefore all the secrets of the chakra. Given that each chakra corresponds with their element, it sounds provide root access to the qualities of this element:

I made no mention of the space ship RAMA from A C Clarke's books or the Hindu God in my post above
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama
http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=....u_bP6fA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NshkyZOgYJc&feature=related

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama


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NOT AGAIN, PEOPLE! Please, let's not get over all of this again, pleeeeeease

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Posted: Sep. 23 2011, 04:32

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Sep. 23 2011, 03:32)
NOT AGAIN, PEOPLE! Please, let's not get over all of this again, pleeeeeease

No, it's quite interesting, actually. If you want to criticize I1 for anything, it's for saying "should of" instead of "should have". A lot of tubularians do that  :p
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Posted: Sep. 23 2011, 13:34

OK, here we go;

"I originated and wrote the nonsense words; a trick he adopted and used subsequently...."

(Tim Cross about his input on QE2)

So there.  :laugh:


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All thanks to Dan Brown.
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These are boring and patient people who have no life or have all the time in their hands, which are the same, but not really. The punishment of what making walls of text varies of the strictness of the community. But it doesn't really matter. Nobody cares. Walls of texts should be free of links, different font colors, strange characters, which are those other symbols used in society, and capital letters because it ruins the whole purpose of the infamy of walls of texts. It makes them look fucking dumb and weird and dumb. Walls of texts are obviously free of huge spaces and outstanding things like capital letters. Of course, paragraphs should never be in a wall of text. Walls of text are known to create nausea, confusion, head explosion, and others. The others being something I can not think of either because I am lazy or if I do not feel like it or I can not actually think of anything. Like what the fuck? That was a rhetorical question right there. What the fuck? 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Lars Thanks for the dose of sanity.

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@ Daniel/nightspore: welcome back to the boards. Where have you been?

I agree that what I1 writes is certainly very interesting to read. My problem with I1 is that I don't agree with a single one of his views, and apparently his problem with me is that he cannot accept me not agreeing with a single one of his views. :D

@ lars: I don't understand. Mike wrote Sheba himself, didn't he? Some pseudolyrics in Sheba are very similar to the pseudolyrics in Celt - Sama and Rama are just two words that appear in both pieces. So why did he need Tim Cross to provide him with nonsense lyrics? :D Also, check out this quote from the Wikipedia page about Sheba: «"Sheba"'s lyrics are simply vocalisations set to the backing track.» :p

That said, I still think that the words to Celt make no sense, and that they are not intended as a mantra. The words to Sheba sound much more mantra-like than Celt, but they don't make sense just as well. :laugh:


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The "wall of text" post was a useless waste of energy in a petty, insignificant individual, and was childish and naive. It was foolish, and Mr. 14al is an egotistic, trolling, cloth minded nincompoop who, because of his ignorant thoughts on other people's opinions, does not belong on this Michael Oldfield forum which is about peace. If someone has an opinion on anything, no matter how "strange" one thinks the opinion is, they have to respect it because that is the civilized thing to do in a civilized world. I don't care how lazy you are, I do know that you need to grow up. You SHOULD show respect to Shine, and the I1 member, as well as everyone else on the forum. Arguments online are a waste of time.
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