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Posted: Dec. 08 2012, 16:30

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How much changes producer can do to music?

That's a very good question really - mainly because there's not really a single short answer to it (other than "it depends"! ).

I think in this case, it's important that Mike's turned to Steve Lipson after having worked on the ideas on his own for a while. I'd say that probably means Mike's after something which he can't achieve on his own, that he's seeking Steve's input on the project and, I'd assume, is hoping that he'll help shape the sound in a certain direction. So...perhaps it will end up having something of a 'Steve Lipson sound' to it, but mainly because that's what Mike appears to want.

I think it's already been mentioned on the forum that Steve Lipson's a protégé of Trevor Horn, who (in)famously helped bring a more commercial sound to Tubular Bells II, which I suppose most fans either love or hate. Certainly the finished album was very different to both the demos and the Tom Newman-produced Amarok from two years earlier...but then Heaven's Open (also co-produced by Tom Newman) also showed a different approach to Amarok.

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If Mike said that Monkey will write some news about the album producing progress on Twetter does it mean that info will apperar also on Facebook? I just don't want to make an account there.

You don't need to have a Twitter account to read someone's tweets, unless they've protected their tweets, in which case you need to be approved as a follower of theirs, which does need you to have an account. I doubt that Mike and Caroline would do it that way, though, so you should be safe! Of course you need a Twitter account if you want to interact :)
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 04:25

If Mike feels now that it is through songs that he's going to get his message across,that's fine.I love his instrumental stuff,but when you've got such an intense life story to tell (just go read or re-read Changeling by instance),songs can be the best option.

One of my favorite songs ever is I Don't Care Anymore by Phil Collins.When he wrote it,he was still on that mood that inspired him to write Face Value,that breakup thingie.That song is timeless,its lyrics can fit all situations really - which is a good sign of a great tune to me.Simple lyrics,but they're straight to the point.

From past interviews earlier this year Mike has said about a song on domestic violence.The theme's been big over the last months in the UK,so it can get into the feeling even in 2013 (I suppose when the album's coming out).

As with Heaven's Open - which is one of my favorite inspirational songs ever - let's wait and see what's next.With the definition of rock music which has been under constant changes in the past few years,I just wanna listen to the final product and that's it.


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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 04:28

Steve Lipson produced Franke Goes To Hollywood's Liverpool album, which had a far edgier 'rock' feel than it's precesessor.
it was highly praised by fans and critics - despite Trevor Horn's subsequent meddling giving the album a more polished 'poppier' sound.
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 04:40

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Drummer-wise, I'd love to see him work with Darby Todd - a man as at home with jazz as he is with metal or blues. Also, he had a great pairing on the Tubular Bells II tour in the form of Ian Thomas and Lawrence Cottle who, in that setting, didn't really get the chance to show just what a great rhythm section they can be together.

John Robinson (as featured on Altered State) has been doing some stuff for Mike in LA. If he's recording drums in London as well, I'd not be surprised if Ash Soan gets the call.

Simon Phillips was always a solid collaborator with Mike of course and Evelyn Glennie would indeed be a great choice of collaborator, though I think maybe she'd be at her greatest on a longer instrumental work (it would be lovely to hear some of her tuned percussion playing on his music, for example).

Studios...Mike's always seemed to like Abbey Road, with all its associations with the start of his career. Considering Steve Lipson's involvement, I'd not rule out SARM being used. It would actually be really interesting to see what would happen if he was holed up in British Grove for a while...with Mr Knopfler on hand as well, of course.

The British Groove thing is a possibility, because as well as Mike giving Knopfler praise in the past(and It's rare for him to praise anyone) Knopfler has also been using Ian Thomas for studio and live drumming duties lately, and Ian Thomas has played with Mike too.
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 07:49

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Heaven's Open cops a bit of flak as an album but it seems to me a fairly underrated album (not as good as Amarok, but that's a completely different beastie) but he took risks and put a bit of heart into it too - which is what I think makes it a better album than Earthmoving, which was just blah.

but it seems to me the Olympics thing really gave him a shot in the arm with getting some recognition that he's not often had in his own country.


Heavens Open is hugely under rated I think. If you want an idea of what a new album of songs from Mike would sound like then Heavens Open is probably a good album to listen to right now. Its very of its time of course  but lyrically its all so obviously from the heart rather than the rather ephemeral stuff on other albums. The songs have a lot more kick to them too. All that being said I really hope the album isn't made up entirely of real MOR rock numbers. Something a bit more downbeat and soulful would be good. I think a lot of it will be defined by what singers he uses too. I actually hope its not filled with people like Sting and other clunky household names. He should get some interesting contemporary singers in.  
I'm really not sure how it will be taken by the public. The music world is a kind of free for all these days. But if the songs are good and whatever vocalists he gets give it a bit of gravitas it could do reasonably well.

I think the Olympics probably made a huge difference not only for Mike but for Universal Music too. Its possible doors opened, financially and otherwise that might have been shut had the Olympics not happened. Suddenly Mike is back on the map with a lot of potential.
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 09:45

well earth moving and heavens open is not to be compared with this album. Those are records done just to get out of the very long contract with Virgin Records, and they were rushed. To me those records are on the shelf because Mike oldfields name are on them, but i never hear them. To me this new rockalbum means a whole album like "Shadow on the Wall" from Crises, or at least i hope there is a link to that. Before Mike oldfield (or virgin records) went "disco-very" there were on the previous records something, which i hope is the kind of rockmusic, we´ll get this time around.  About time Mike Oldfield went rock. should have done that in the 80`s, but it sounds like Virgin Records weere chasing anorther "Moonlight Shadow". It will get interestering to see, wheter i am right or wrong.
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 10:31

"Shadow on the Wall"? That is not at all what I am expecting to be honest. To me that was a one-off experiment in hard-rock land that didn't turn out too well. It's "tough" in a contrived kind of way.
I think Mike has a style of writing pop/folk songs that is his very own. "Shadow on the Wall" is one of these occassions when he tries to be someone else.
I hope he comes up with someone as good as Discovery. That's what I hope for. With better lyrics obviously. No thesaurus this time I suppose.  :laugh:


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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 11:47

Quote (qjamesfloyd @ Dec. 09 2012, 04:40)
Quote (Korgscrew @ Dec. 08 2012, 18:22)
Drummer-wise, I'd love to see him work with Darby Todd - a man as at home with jazz as he is with metal or blues. Also, he had a great pairing on the Tubular Bells II tour in the form of Ian Thomas and Lawrence Cottle who, in that setting, didn't really get the chance to show just what a great rhythm section they can be together.

John Robinson (as featured on Altered State) has been doing some stuff for Mike in LA. If he's recording drums in London as well, I'd not be surprised if Ash Soan gets the call.

Simon Phillips was always a solid collaborator with Mike of course and Evelyn Glennie would indeed be a great choice of collaborator, though I think maybe she'd be at her greatest on a longer instrumental work (it would be lovely to hear some of her tuned percussion playing on his music, for example).

Studios...Mike's always seemed to like Abbey Road, with all its associations with the start of his career. Considering Steve Lipson's involvement, I'd not rule out SARM being used. It would actually be really interesting to see what would happen if he was holed up in British Grove for a while...with Mr Knopfler on hand as well, of course.

The British Groove thing is a possibility, because as well as Mike giving Knopfler praise in the past(and It's rare for him to praise anyone) Knopfler has also been using Ian Thomas for studio and live drumming duties lately, and Ian Thomas has played with Mike too.

I was aware of the fact but not of the music, so entirely appropriate that qjamesfloyd mentions it first!

I've occasionally perused Ash Soan's tweets since the Olympics (and gained a tiny insight into how inter-connected the drumming community is); it wouldn't be a surprise if he gets the London gig (or if Little Halings hosts it) but since our little game of Kevin Bacon last year, I really shouldn't be taken aback by these little connections and coincidences I keep noticing.  I saw a bit of John Robinson in Spike Lee's Bad 25 documentary last week, and he may be a shoe-in for the LA sessions having laid down the drums for the Olympic tracks, whatever the mix was that Ash played live or along to.

A fellow Olympic drummer was Evelyn Glennie -who would certainly bring a lot to a percussion solo.  I've not seen the evidence yet that they were there live, but amongst the credited drummers for the pre-recorded and Isles of Wonder track of And I Will Kiss are TB sequels specialist, Ian Thomas, and Mike's fellow Hair! musician, Frank Ricotti.  He played percussion on the album that I discovered was at the centre of the universe last year; Grace Jones' Slave to the Rhythm - as written, perfomed on and assistantly-produced by Steve Lipson...


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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 12:33

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OK, I just listened to Annie Lennox album "Diva" and I'm seriously worried if that is the producer he has hired. That album is a perfect example of why the 90s was the most boring decede in music ever. No dymanics, no surprises, just polite and inoffensive "product".

How different can opinions be. To me, Diva is a perfect album. It hasn't aged since its release. Annie Lennox has never again approached the level of amazingness this album had. Of course it isn't rock, but unless you think no other sort of music than rock can possibly be good, I fail to see how "Little Bird", "Cold", "Money Can't Buy Me" and "Precious" can all be dismissed as "polite and inoffensive product with no dynamics".

#obsessivefan ;)

I am mostly curious what Mike thinks rock is in 2012 -- I find it hard to say, myself. Rock is the genre that has eaten its own tail in the last 10 years so many times that it's hard to say if there's anything left. Metal is thriving, but rock? What's rock nowadays? I'd love to see Mike reinvent it a bit.


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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 14:09

well maybe not shadow on the wall, but neither discovery. Not so polite, and not something as earth moving. EM was done for the sake of virgin records and may be good pop, but it is bad Mike Oldfield. I mean, to many keyboards on EM. When you are capeable of what mike oldfield can with a giutar and are recording a rockalbum, there must be an edge, which might be new to us. Thats what i am dreaming of.
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Posted: Dec. 09 2012, 17:21

We must have an edge ! ... Definitely !

From what Mike has stated I'm sure he'll deliver on that !

His message suggests he is very excited himself about the new album maybe because its not in his comfort zone ? ... something new and different and therefore a challenge  which he thinks he's met ? ... or am I dreaming ?

I hope there's some great tunes on the album ... if there are any left to discover ?


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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 05:07

Sounds very exciting.

To put in perspective, established musicians of a certain age simply do not release albums with any regularity, so this really could be the last albums to come from MO, plus some tinkering with the back catalogue. The Rolling Stones basically come out every 5 years, record 2 tracks & add them to a new Greatest Hits.

We have has 23 albums, which in terms of a single artists' total output with writing, recording, playing producing etc must be well up on most other artists.

The only thing I would say, is with Mike in a self confesses semi-retirement, with tracks to be recorded in LA & London, producation via a 3rd party, then vocalists to source & record somewhere around the world, I don't imagine this being rushed out soon !
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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 05:30

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We have has 23 albums, which in terms of a single artists' total output with writing, recording, playing producing etc must be well up on most other artists.

Couldn't agree more...

There is no rush...it's better not to rush.

It will take as long as it takes...

Nothing will stop me looking forward to its release.
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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 08:08

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There is no rush...it's better not to rush.

What do you mean, there's no Rush?



There is Rush!



Sorry, couldn't help it! :)


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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 12:07

I stand corrected !
Who was their lead singer, maybe he could do one of the tracks. :laugh:
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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 14:43

Geddy Lee

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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 16:51

so, is that a silk kimono or a starsky knit he's wearing?

what a decade that was! :O


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Posted: Dec. 10 2012, 18:05

Fortunately their sound does not reflect the dorkiness of that picture. :)

I'm looking forwards to hearing the new stuff. Music of the Spheres showed Mike still has plenty of music in his body, and working with collaborators has (almost) always been a good thing for him.


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Posted: Dec. 11 2012, 05:31

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Fortunately their sound does not reflect the dorkiness of that picture. :)

Yeah the dorkiness level of that picture...

... It's over NINE THOUSAAAAND
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Posted: Dec. 11 2012, 05:48

Quote (Sir Mustapha @ Dec. 10 2012, 18:05)
Fortunately their sound does not reflect the dorkiness of that picture. :)

I always thought Rush sounded kind of dorky  :p

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