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Posted: April 15 2011, 21:29

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But even in America you should say native American instead of Indian, I believe? Such stupidity. First they kill all the Indians then they say, you know what? saying Indian to those people is offensive let's call them native Americans. The irony.

It's very slightly politically incorrect to say Indian, American Indian is better and yes, Native American is the most politically correct.

But of course, as I've expressed before, in my opinion, words are just words, and the real problem is the hatred behind them.

And of course it's ironic, we treated the natives like shit, and now we act like we've been so benevolent by letting them live on reservations! In a way though, they are getting a bit of a last laugh, as they have tribal sovereignty, they're able to establish casinos and other businesses with much less government interference than they would if they didn't live on the reservations (of course, whether that's a good thing or not is up for debate).

<crawls out from under a rock> I really like what you say here--very few living in the US get the sovereignty issues. I don't know what to think about the casinos--they are generally very devisive initially, i.e., half support them, half hate them. Many years ago a Metis friend from Canada asked me to review a survey he was working on for one of the Canadian First Nation communities regarding gambling addiction.  There are also clashes when business people go away to places like Harvard and come back with very non-traditional ideas as to how tribal business should be run.

Regarding names, there really isn't any standard -- always best to ask. Generally, I have been told by Native friends and educators that that if you know the name of the nation, call them by that--and the version they prefer to call themselves. For example, Dakota/Lakota/Nakota instead of Sioux (though many will refer to themselves as "Sioux"). Often they will refer to themselves as "Indian."  These days, when I see "Indian" in print I am often confused. American Indian person? South Asian person? Generally, the only ppl who insist on "Native American" are the ones who have discovered a 20th generation Native ancestor. Those folks are so annoying and clueless. They haven't ever faced discrimination because of their Native heritage. It's really not their place--or mine--to insist on labels. I can only pass on what I've been told by members of those communities. One acquaintance likes "American Indian people"--she wants to make sure "people" is in the mix--because often Native folks have been objectified (Halloween costumes, mascots, etc.). Visit Lisa Mitten's Native American Home Pages for tribal listings and other information (artists, mascot issues, educational associations, etc.) or www.oyate.org is another good site. Deja vu--have I not mentioned these sites many times before? (Hello, I am new here! ) :D

And y'all are so right--it's really not so much about what Native peoples are called as how they are treated. The American Indian Library Association reminds one that "I" is not for "Indian" but by the same token (and objectification) "N" is not for "Native American."  

Naho!  (A lovely Onondaga word for I've said everything I have to say on the topic--at least I think so- well, it  doesn't mean that last part! ) .


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Posted: April 15 2011, 21:41

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Generally, the only ppl who insist on "Native American" are the ones who have discovered a 20th generation Native ancestor.

Oh yeah. And one of my anthropology professors (chair of the department). Now that I know folks in various Native communities (didn't back then) I would disagree with him. BTW, I tend to use Native, Native peoples, or even indigeneous as long as the context is fairly obvious; otherwise I'd use American Indian people or Native American people unless discussing a specific Nation.

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Posted: April 16 2011, 09:40

Guess I'd better say something actually pertaining to this topic! It would be so much fun to go that festival one of these years--guess I'll wait for a time when Mike is actually playing there (perhaps in a parallel universe! ). Can't believe it was nearly 6 years ago that the kids and I wandered the streets of that town and climbed to the Tor I can't figure out where around Glastonbury the festival is actually held (looked at the map). To the north? Unfortunately, one of the largest prog rock shows in the USA, Nearfest, has been canceled due to low ticket sales. I had hoped to attend this year. Since moving back east, I wasn't ever quick enough to even get tickets.   :/

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Posted: April 16 2011, 11:40

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Regarding names, there really isn't any standard -- always best to ask. Generally, I have been told by Native friends and educators that that if you know the name of the nation, call them by that--and the version they prefer to call themselves. For example, Dakota/Lakota/Nakota instead of Sioux (though many will refer to themselves as "Sioux"). Often they will refer to themselves as "Indian."  These days, when I see "Indian" in print I am often confused. American Indian person? South Asian person?

That's interesting. I don't know any Native Americans personally (they're a very small minority where I live), and I hadn't heard that about using the name of the nation - but it makes sense.

And I think the use of Indian referring to Natives should be discontinued completely, because (a) it's a name based on a horrible mistake (of course, if we discontinued using all names that were based on mistakes, things would be quite different, but I digress), and (b) it's confusing, as you said.
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Posted: April 16 2011, 22:29

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Regarding names, there really isn't any standard -- always best to ask. Generally, I have been told by Native friends and educators that that if you know the name of the nation, call them by that--and the version they prefer to call themselves. For example, Dakota/Lakota/Nakota instead of Sioux (though many will refer to themselves as "Sioux"). Often they will refer to themselves as "Indian."  These days, when I see "Indian" in print I am often confused. American Indian person? South Asian person?

That's interesting. I don't know any Native Americans personally (they're a very small minority where I live), and I hadn't heard that about using the name of the nation - but it makes sense.

And I think the use of Indian referring to Natives should be discontinued completely, because (a) it's a name based on a horrible mistake (of course, if we discontinued using all names that were based on mistakes, things would be quite different, but I digress), and (b) it's confusing, as you said.

I may have an Indian spirit guide  :laugh:
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Posted: April 17 2011, 05:05

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Mike & Universal have denied rumours that he will appear


...and not listed here either...

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Posted: April 17 2011, 09:45

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And I think the use of Indian referring to Natives should be discontinued completely, because (a) it's a name based on a horrible mistake (of course, if we discontinued using all names that were based on mistakes, things would be quite different, but I digress), and (b) it's confusing, as you said.

I should add that when I say this, as always I don't mean that it should be a law, but that if individuals would make the decision to stop using the term it would be good. :)
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Posted: April 27 2011, 09:49

Hmmmm, the Glastonbury line up page seems to have been updated with another item on the Spirit of 71 stage. The Friday line up now lists Charles Hazlewood All Stars - 'Tubular Bells Project'. Presume it still doesn't involve Mike but could be interesting!

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Posted: April 28 2011, 09:38

Good spot, Matt.  Allowing for the possibility that this could be a project "reclaiming" the name Tubular Bells from Mike - to create an unrelated work -  a performance of our TB is something that might just attract some TV coverage.
No guarantees though... :/ http://www.bbc.co.uk/glastonbury/2010/faqs/

So far, no details of confirmation or information found for the parties mentioned, but the prospect of Squarepusher on bass duties during anything resembling Part One is one to make you salivate!


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Posted: April 28 2011, 11:19

From the biography page on Charles Hazlewood website:
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In 2008 he founded The Charles Hazlewood All Stars at Glastonbury Festival (including Goldfrapp's Will Gregory, Portishead's Adrian Utley, Cian [Super Furry Animals], DJ/composer Gabriel Prokofiev and Squarepusher), an ensemble dedicated to improvisation. This season they will tour Terry Riley's A Rainbow in Curved Air alongside Mike Oldfield's Tubular Bells.

So it seems like it is something to do with Mikes Tubular Bells that they are going to be performing....


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Posted: April 30 2011, 06:50

Serves me right for only reading the full biograpy!
http://www.charleshazlewood.com/full_biog.html

Someone will have to persuade any friend of a friend who is going to Glasto that Tubular Net needs them to go the Spirit of 71 stage, a 12 megapixel cameraphone in their hands!  A VGA with good sound might just cut it...


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Posted: June 14 2011, 05:24

I'm off to Glastonbury early next week. Planning to go along to this gig - its quite early in the morning actually, but that could make it quite atmospheric (and easier to hear given that it wont have to compete with sound systems from other stages.

I'll post back on here what it was like. Might try and film a bit of it if I have enough phone battery left by then ;)
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Posted: June 14 2011, 17:56

Set times announced:

http://www.glastonburyfestivals.co.uk/line-up-poster/

...headliner act for the Spirit of '71 on Friday.


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Posted: June 15 2011, 08:14

Technically the last act on Friday (or rather Sat AM just after midnight), but I know the festival well and will say that this will very much work in their favour audience wise since all other main stages will be closed by then and many people will be milling around looking for other entertainment. The '71 Stage (new this year, and probably only for this year), is also well placed centrally within the main festival 'highway' at the corner of Holts. I can see people wanting to find out what the source of this 'unfamiliar' music is and easily locating it. I know of several other MO fans that will be there for the performance now too. Just a shame Mike won't be making an appearance there himself, although Steve Hillage is there and he once played electric guitar for the orchestral arrangement of Hergest Ridge at Albert Hall back in the '70's I believe . . .
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Posted: June 15 2011, 08:48

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I'm off to Glastonbury early next week. ..... I'll post back on here what it was like.

Look forward to that!

Welcome to the forums by the way :)


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Posted: June 15 2011, 09:16

Cheers. Yes, will report back - so long as I can stay sober enough to remember what it was like ;)
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Posted: June 15 2011, 09:48

Wombles are playing.. All is well in the World... :cool:

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Posted: June 15 2011, 10:26

Reckon it will be rammed for Wombles, though Eavis says he's 'not pleased' with the booking. Least they might tidy up after their gig.
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Posted: June 15 2011, 17:00

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Cheers. Yes, will report back - so long as I can stay sober enough to remember what it was like ;)

Hi Pinhead - yes you stay sober and don't fall asleep. We want to know everything!

No pressure.  :)


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Posted: June 16 2011, 12:15

"Just a shame Mike won't be making an appearance there himself, although Steve Hillage is there and he once played electric guitar for the orchestral arrangement of Hergest Ridge at Albert Hall back in the '70's I believe . . ."

    'Scuse me but I'd like to ask a question. I've seen portions of this thread since it started on March 31st. Am I to understand that this whole thing started as an opportunity to see MO but in the end, he won't be there? I know who Steve Hillage is. But gee, is this really the case? I don't live in the vicinity so I'm not affected or dissapointed but everyone there(IE near the vicinity) seems indifferent to it. Just a curious guy, is MO going to play live or not?


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