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Posted: June 06 2011, 12:46

"Great, New Stereo Mix of the Thing..  Thats Good.. Wonder what he has tinkered with Mostly...?  "

The main mix is the OLD stereo mix remastered...NOT REMIXED?????????

As some say  WHY not all of it... GUTTED... It would have been a big task to do....
BUT its such a shame, that we only have bits (30mins)...
WHY NOT the other 45mins...?????
NOt good....

The only good thing is that perhaps he's too busy working on a NEW CD to churn out these remixes for the MONEY..?????????
Lets hope!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: June 06 2011, 14:21

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Great, New Stereo Mix of the Thing..  Thats Good.. Wonder what he has tinkered with Mostly...?

I'm assuming that the new Incantations will be a standard remaster, rather than a full remix. Which is no bad thing, because it could do with a spring-clean.

I believe the excerpts on the second disc are remixes though, for all those remix fans out there!

I'm glad the original version will be on there, because it means I can throw away my old version of the album - unlike Hergest Ridge, where the new Deluxe Version doesn't contain the Boxed remix that I'm so familiar with.

PS Looking at the tracklisting for the second disc of the Deluxe Edition of Incantations, a thought struck me.

The most well-known part (and, to my ears, a highlight) of the album is the 'Ode to Cynthia' bit that serves as the climax of the album and is featured on a number of the old compilation albums (notably Elements). I'm really surprised that - of all the various themes and excerpts that Oldfield could've remixed - 'Ode To Cynthia' isn't included.

I love the way that piece slowly builds up from a single xylophone to a full orchestra over the course of it's running time - it would've been a great candidate for a 5.1 mix.

However, it's not to be - I don't think that a re-jigged surround-sound version of Ode to Cynthia is on the new release. A shame.
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Posted: June 07 2011, 03:02

If the 2011 Stereo mix follows the Model of TB1 and the other 2 its bound to have some subtle changes in there..  How much or to what degree remains to be seen..  The Remix sections should be interesting if there is a whole new take on the originals..mmm wait and see.. :cool:

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Posted: June 07 2011, 10:07

Signed edition now sold out
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Posted: June 07 2011, 10:21

Quote (starfish @ June 07 2011, 15:07)
[quote=3Wheeler,June 07 2011, 03:02][/quote]
Signed edition now sold out

Just beat me to it :-)

Incantations Signed Edition - Universal
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Posted: June 07 2011, 13:31

I presume with the inclusion of the live Incantations from the 1979 tour and the recent(ish) DVD we are unlikely to get a remastered version of Exposed as part of the reissues.

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Posted: June 07 2011, 14:17

Incantations is my favourite MO album so I was looking forward to it the most. But seeing this tracklist leaves me utterly gutted. I don´t need excerpts, I want the whole thing as a 5.1 mix.  :(
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Posted: June 07 2011, 18:47

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Incantations is my favourite MO album so I was looking forward to it the most. But seeing this tracklist leaves me utterly gutted. I don´t need excerpts, I want the whole thing as a 5.1 mix.  :(

And I don't need 5.1 Mixes at all. In my opinion it's a waste of disc space. In contrast to the previous re-releases Incantations 2011 seems to include nothing special. Who needs the Wembley Conference Concert from Exposed DVD ? As all the concerts were recorded in 1979 they shoud have included another one, although it's only audio.
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Posted: June 07 2011, 20:00

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Signed edition now sold out

I guess I got the last one. :laugh: :D

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Posted: June 08 2011, 06:13

Quote (stpaul @ June 07 2011, 18:47)
Quote (Woodend @ June 07 2011, 14:17)
Incantations is my favourite MO album so I was looking forward to it the most. But seeing this tracklist leaves me utterly gutted. I don´t need excerpts, I want the whole thing as a 5.1 mix.  :(

And I don't need 5.1 Mixes at all. In my opinion it's a waste of disc space. In contrast to the previous re-releases Incantations 2011 seems to include nothing special. Who needs the Wembley Conference Concert from Exposed DVD ? As all the concerts were recorded in 1979 they shoud have included another one, although it's only audio.

The problem with Incantations is that it's such a balancing act, moreso than the previous re-issues. The problem being, of course, that Incantations is double the running-time of the others!

So I have great sympathy for the people at Universal who were compiling this album. Obviously the original 1978 mix should be included in the set, but what else?

Some people are big fans of the new remixes that have been appearing on the other re-issues. Some people prefer the B-sides and rarities (I myself am elated that Pipe Tune and Wreckorder Wrondo are finally getting a CD release), whilst a third group would prefer early versions and demos, such as the Space Movie takes.

The problem is that you can't please everyone, not when you only have three discs to play around with. Incantations 1978 mix + Complete Remix + Rarities + Demos just won't fit on two audio CDs because Incantations, at over 70 minutes, is just too long - it won't all fit!!!

In an ideal world, Universal would've given this set an extra disc, and then everyone would have been happy. But given the projected sales figures, I'm not sure Universal could justify the extra expense.

In the UK, you don't even need to sell 10,000 copies to reach the top 20 in the album sales chart (the 'Renegades' album by Feeder got to number 16 and sold less than 9,000, according to Wikipedia). Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn were placed 140 and 141, so how many must they have sold? A thousand copies at best!

That we're getting these lavish 3-disc sets at all amazes me, considering the relatively low sales.

Given that Universal only had two audio CDs and a DVD to play with, I personally think they struck a good balance. The original 1978 version is there for those who want it, plus a bunch of B-sides, and a few remixed excerpts.

Yes, it's a bit of a fudge, and no-one is going to be completely happy with the situation (I'd've given my left arm for a 5.1 remix of the 'Ode To Cynthia' section in Part 4). But it's a decent compromise, given the number of discs and the extended length of the original album.
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Posted: June 08 2011, 13:28

I hope I didn´t come across too harsh. I´m still gutted though.
I don´t think it is a decent compromise. Mike could have done at least a 2011 mix like on his previous discs. Maybe he just didn´t bother.
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Posted: June 08 2011, 14:58

Maybe... He thought he couldnt better it as a whole.
And only did the bits, that we have....
It is a great mix anyway...one of his best..so clear and defined. ESPECIALLY as we've had one remastered version already.
BUt it would have been great to hear a new version..
Personally only Hergest Ridge was better than the original.
Tub Bells and Ommadawn, not as good as the original mixes....
BUT..
As i said earlier...seeing as its the collectors who are buying these new versions... you would think that they would go out of their way to add all the rare stuff, demos, space movie, reflections....on the 2nd Disc,,,and leave the REMIXED sections off.....  ALL or nothing for me regarding the remix...
Still better than nothing......

Also as mostly MO fans are buying these...why not a 4 or 5 disc set....
Im sure  its not the casual buyer who will buy these re issues...
it doesnt make much diferrance to the MO collectors ,who would pay the extra for the 3-4-5 disc sets.....????? and keep a single disc version for the casual punter...?????
Why didnt they consult some fans to see what they would want ??????   and get it right .....
and the re hashed EXPOSED live footage  >>>WHY !!!!!!!!!!!
absolutely pointless... why isnt somebody with knowledge of MO consulting them .....
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Posted: June 08 2011, 15:26

Perhaps they will sell the full remix as a download? For some reason I have a hard time believing Mike would remix only parts of it. If so, was it planned, or something happened in the middle of remixing and he gave up? Also, they don't say yet who remastered it. Simon Heyworth again? So Mike wasn't happy with the HDCD remaster but happy with the mix except for some parts? Or it's a purely financial operation and Mike/Universal did as little as possible to ensure a revenue, knowing than doing more wouldn't earn them more anyway?
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Posted: June 08 2011, 18:42

:D  :D ... sorry couldn't resist !!
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Posted: June 09 2011, 01:15

:D ... that's more like it!

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Posted: June 09 2011, 03:01

Quote (starfish @ June 08 2011, 06:13)
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[quote=stpaul,June 07 2011, 18:47]
In the UK, you don't even need to sell 10,000 copies to reach the top 20 in the album sales chart (the 'Renegades' album by Feeder got to number 16 and sold less than 9,000, according to Wikipedia). Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn were placed 140 and 141, so how many must they have sold? A thousand copies at best!

That we're getting these lavish 3-disc sets at all amazes me, considering the relatively low sales.


Well, there's one thing that you've forgotten to take in to account here: With album sales as low as they are, and still shrinking, record companies are now relying on releases like these, where they get the fans to buy records over and over again.

So even though the charts don't show it, these kinds of releases do generate income for the record companies, because the cost of putting them together are relatively low. Just look at all the box sets that are released by old time artists. In the past, those kind of releases where sparse, now hundreds are coming out every month.
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Posted: June 09 2011, 04:10

Yeah Bit of old Cardboard & some quickly Thought out inner sleeve & a 5p Disc...  Money for old rope really.. :cool:

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Posted: June 09 2011, 05:03

Quote (Elf @ June 09 2011, 03:01)
Quote (starfish @ June 08 2011, 06:13)
In the UK, you don't even need to sell 10,000 copies to reach the top 20 in the album sales chart (the 'Renegades' album by Feeder got to number 16 and sold less than 9,000, according to Wikipedia). Hergest Ridge and Ommadawn were placed 140 and 141, so how many must they have sold? A thousand copies at best!

That we're getting these lavish 3-disc sets at all amazes me, considering the relatively low sales.


Well, there's one thing that you've forgotten to take in to account here: With album sales as low as they are, and still shrinking, record companies are now relying on releases like these, where they get the fans to buy records over and over again.

So even though the charts don't show it, these kinds of releases do generate income for the record companies, because the cost of putting them together are relatively low. Just look at all the box sets that are released by old time artists. In the past, those kind of releases where sparse, now hundreds are coming out every month.

You do the math.

The single-disc version of Incantations has an RRP of £9.99 according to Universal.

The three-disc version is £14.99, which works out to roughly £4.99 per disc.

Standard edition - £9.99 per disc
Collectors' edition - £4.99 per disc

So Universal are actually making half as much money per disc selling the Deluxe Edition than they are with the standard single-disc version!!!!

As such, I stand by my reasoning that we are lucky to be getting these Deluxe Editions.
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Posted: June 09 2011, 05:40

The actual discs cost them Peanuts.. 123 the amount of discs dont matter to them.. They just hope everyone goes for the deluxe... and make more bucks bottom line..

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Posted: June 09 2011, 06:10

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:D  :D ... sorry couldn't resist !!
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Whahaha! Briliant! If they did make the artwork like that with a recent Mike picture like you did, I would have appreciated the new artwork much more!  :D


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