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Posted: June 23 2009, 17:45

HERGEST RIDGE is one of my Mikes early albums.
I wondered how an ultimate rerelease of that album would look like.

Which bonus tracks should be on it?
Should we include lyrics, liner notes and some nice photographs?

TRACKLIST

Hergest Ridge (part one)
Hergest Ridge (part two)

Don Alfonso
In Dulci Jubilo

Ofcourse I would go for the full version of Don Alfonso.
The one that was released on the Virgin V 2LP sampler in 1974.
I was also thinking about Speak ... another funny collaboration,
but it would be too much fun. Let's not overdo it.

An early version of In Dulci Jubilo was a b-side.
But here I would add the 1975 hit version of the track.
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Posted: June 24 2009, 07:59

Hergest Ridge is my favorite album from MO, and my idea of an "Deluxe Edition" would be a regular 4-CD jewel case including:

The "original version" on CD1
The Boxed remix version on CD2
The Orchestral version on CD3
Outakes and Rarities on CD4 (including the tracks mentioned by Dazzler.)

No need for a LP-sized box IMHO, or book, or even a signed certificate. A bonus DVD with footage of Mike at the time, maybe flying his model planes on the Ridge and a few interviews would be great too!

Needless to say, a "Hergest Ridge 2009" would cause my credit card to mysteriously jump right out of my wallet!
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Posted: June 24 2009, 12:55

You forgot Spanish Tune.
I'm with you on this one HR.I wonder if there is any fottage of him flying the gliders?Be interesting if there was.
Got to be the original mix really.Anything else isn't right as it's the post Boxed version that's already out and all you can (legitamately) get on cd.
 I'm sure Mercury are aware of the fact that people really want the original version properly presented and cleaned up and that most of the people who buy these re-issues will be die hard fans so why not give them what they want/And if Mike's involved i'm sure he must know that too so come on Mike.You may not have liked the original mix and so chose to have the Boxed vesion as the only availalbe version post 76 but we want it cos you got it so very right first time! :laugh:


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Posted: June 28 2009, 12:53

The original mix and the orchestral version, plus any demos would be fascinating. Maybe a miniature model hand-glider with the initial pressings.

(That last bit wasn't a serious suggestion of course) :)
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Posted: June 23 2010, 17:35

I bought my copy of the deluxe edition today.

And I really love the new artwork. Normally I'm not so keen
on bands changing the original recordings or artwork on rereleases.
But this time it manages to chatch the albums atmosphere completely.

I'm not so keen on Mike Oldfields new remixes either.
But ... I will give them a listen anyway.

So glad that the original 1974 mix is finally available on CD.
I listened to the first bars of part one when I got home and it was like a journey
back into time. I have the vinyl record, but it was ages ago that I played it.

And as a bonus we can listen to a demo version of the entire album.
Supercalifragilasticalidocious ...

As for the bonustracks on the first disc ...

Spanish Tune is a real discovery.
It features the best possible theme of Hergest Ridge
in a 3 minute excerpt. Really the essence of this album.

The early version of In Dulci Jubilo is an odd choice,
because the Ommadawn rerelease has the common hit version on it.

In the booklet (lovely photo's and interesting liner notes)
this version of In Dulci Jubilo is referred to as the b-side
of a single ... never mentioning Don Alfonso by title.

So that keeps me puzzling.
Why does one avoid mentioning Don Alfonso?
And above all ... why was Don Alfonso itself not included
as a bonustrack (instead of the early version of In Dulci Jubilo)?

I guess the original master of the full 6 minutes version is lost.
Or maybe the Oxo soup corporation sued Virgin Records ...

Who knows ...
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Posted: June 24 2010, 04:10

Quote (dazzler @ June 23 2010, 17:35)
Why does one avoid mentioning Don Alfonso?
And above all ... why was Don Alfonso itself not included
as a bonustrack (instead of the early version of In Dulci Jubilo)?

I rather suspect that Mike is deeply embarassed by it.

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Posted: June 24 2010, 04:28

I thought the same.Although it is on the Elements DVD (as if the song wasn't embarrasing enough-the video's far worse.At least Mike's not in it)and the Platinum Collection,which,from the booklet,Mike had something to do with even if it was just a cursory glance at the running order.But these re-issue's he's been involved with from the ground up so i guess he must be embarrased in much the same way that i suspect he was about Froggy for the TB re-ish (I still so wish he hadn't buggered around with Theme From...).Shame cos i don't mind Don Alsonso and it's got a damn fine solo at the end.
All the same it would have been nice to have all the singles and the albums together.Oh well can't have everything and i'm so happy about the HR and Ommadawn sets (and i am very rarely this happy about any re-issues)that the exclusion of one track is small potatoes really.
 And by the way Dazzler why not have In Dulci Jubilo (For Maureen)?I'd never heard it and i'm perfectly happy to have this version AND In Dulci Jubilo.Christ there's so many versions of TB out there a little track like this is fine by me :laugh:


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Posted: June 24 2010, 16:05

Well I don't mind the early In Dulci Jubilo version is on it.
I just thought it was odd (the common one is based on it)
to select this one instead of Don Alfonso.

I can understand Mike was not so proud about Froggy.
But Don Alfonso sounds to me as a good laugh.
Just like the drunken Hornpipe was.

But you could be right about Mike himself excluding Don Alfonso.
I thought it was a bit childish to avoid mentioning the fact
that Don Alfonso was the a-side to In Dulci Jubilo (for Maureen).

No, for Maureen was just the b-side of "a" single.

Thanks for your replies ... you could be spot on here.
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Posted: June 25 2010, 12:36

I'm still digesting this lot but the one thing I am certain about is I do not like the new cover. The thing with going back and restoring old friends and giving them a new lease of life is that everything about the work should be represented as was. Perhaps MO's disappointment with HR and the remix etc. could be brought together in one release i.e. either  the 'boxed' or 2010 mixes (or both) have the new cover - but the original 1974 stick with the old cover. It might not be the greatest piece of album design but it does have a very 70s flavour to it particularly because of the fish-eye lens photo. The new image is too slick and speaks of the google-earth culture rather than the fired-earth culture of the early 70s...

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Posted: June 25 2010, 23:09

Apart from one major drawback, I would gladly make the 2010 remix my new go-to version. But I hate hate hate that now-foregrounded jangly guitar line so loud in front of the wonderful bass line at 12:13. I'll probably create a "mostly 2010" mix and replace this section (and perhaps the rest of Part One) with the '74 mix. (and it is great to have that back again, though I think the new mix mostly improves on it.) And though I have said for years that I miss all those parts that were stripped out of the Boxed mix, I'm still glad I have it. In certain moods, I will still give it a spin.
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Posted: June 26 2010, 03:56

Re: the old HR fish-eye lens cover. Back in the day Rick Wakeman released a similarly-manipulated cover *but* a sheet of silvered-foil was included as an album insert and when rolled into a
cylinder depicted the original photo-Hi Tech!

Ahh,The Seventies.When men were men-but wore spangly capes!  :laugh:

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Posted: June 26 2010, 05:39

Quote (Cooper Roy @ June 26 2010, 03:56)
Ahh,The Seventies.When men were men-but wore spangly capes!  :laugh:

Yeah  :)

...And the 1270s -1300, when men were men and wore tights... :cool:


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Posted: June 26 2010, 09:22

Quote (wiga @ June 26 2010, 20:39)
Quote (Cooper Roy @ June 26 2010, 03:56)
Ahh,The Seventies.When men were men-but wore spangly capes!  :laugh:

Yeah  :)

...And the 1270s -1300, when men were men and wore tights... :cool:

And a Codpiece :laugh:
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Posted: June 26 2010, 10:20

Quote (Cooper Roy @ June 26 2010, 03:56)
Re: the old HR fish-eye lens cover. Back in the day Rick Wakeman released a similarly-manipulated cover *but* a sheet of silvered-foil was included as an album insert and when rolled into a
cylinder depicted the original photo-Hi Tech!

Ahh,The Seventies.When men were men-but wore spangly capes!  :laugh:

CR

I still have that Wakeman album, No Earthly Connection (which never made it to CD). It has some good music, some terrible singing, and its just dripping with 70s UFO-cosmic vibe-space out lyrics, with an undercurrent of ruthless cosmic justice. ("The Maker" - easily the best track.)

I never though to use that shiny cylinder on Hergest Ridge. (And I long ago lost the shiny mylar sheet.)
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Posted: June 26 2010, 13:55

Quote (flippyshark @ June 25 2010, 23:09)
But I hate hate hate that now-foregrounded jangly guitar line so loud in front of the wonderful bass line at 12:13.

Flippyshark; - I have to agree with you there!!

The loud 'banjo' strum, stuck right bang in front of one of the best bass lines ever, is like a two minute sabotage. That bass line is the highlight of the show for me- and so I'll carry on playing the original versions.


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Posted: June 26 2010, 17:53

(milamber @ June 26 2010, 09:22)
And a Codpiece   :laugh:


I never thought the phrase "Thank the heavens fish-stocks are rapidly depleting," would leave my lips.   ;)
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Posted: June 30 2010, 04:14

Quote (Cooper Roy @ June 27 2010, 08:53)
(milamber @ June 26 2010, 09:22)
And a Codpiece   :laugh:


I never thought the phrase "Thank the heavens fish-stocks are rapidly depleting," would leave my lips.   ;)
CR

That makes two of us old bean.
Having a shufty "across the pond" any time soon.
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Posted: June 30 2010, 19:34

Quote (wiga @ June 26 2010, 19:55)
The loud 'banjo' strum, stuck right bang in front of one of the best bass lines ever, is like a two minute sabotage. That bass line is the highlight of the show for me- and so I'll carry on playing the original versions.

Please, both of you guys (flippyshark & wiga), go have a good listen (and I really, really mean a GOOD listen) to the 5.1 mix - preferably with a good amp, a good setup and a good subwoofer. Then you'll realize that what you call the "jangly guitar" is not too loud at all, it fits perfectly in the mix, and it does not absolutely obscure that bass line - which, in my very humble opinion, is not that fantastic at all. Mike did much better ones, even recently - check out "Angelique" from L+S. :)


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Posted: June 30 2010, 20:46

Quote (milamber @ June 30 2010, 04:14)
That makes two of us old bean.
Having a shufty "across the pond" any time soon.

Good to hear. That's you and me,darn ta Silver's gaff,quick duel in the garden - then to the victor the spoils:Tea,scones and lashings of ginger beer don't ya know!   ;)

Where, pray tell ,will one be domiciled?

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Posted: July 01 2010, 02:43

Quote (Ugo @ June 30 2010, 19:34)
Quote (wiga @ June 26 2010, 19:55)
The loud 'banjo' strum, stuck right bang in front of one of the best bass lines ever, is like a two minute sabotage. That bass line is the highlight of the show for me- and so I'll carry on playing the original versions.

Please, both of you guys (flippyshark & wiga), go have a good listen (and I really, really mean a GOOD listen) to the 5.1 mix - preferably with a good amp, a good setup and a good subwoofer. Then you'll realize that what you call the "jangly guitar" is not too loud at all, it fits perfectly in the mix, and it does not absolutely obscure that bass line - which, in my very humble opinion, is not that fantastic at all. Mike did much better ones, even recently - check out "Angelique" from L+S. :)

Ugo; yes, I've had a good listen, in the car, in the house - on a good sound system. The banjo/mandolin/jangly guitar coming in at 12.12 - is loud and overpowering for a full two minutes. It annhilates the bass rif. Why?

For me, the bass line is central to the story - it's like it's really talking to you, and then it gets rudely interrupted by this brassy guitar, - for what appears no other reason than to draw attention to itself.  :/

If the bass line here isn't particularly that significant to you Ugo then the guitar might not jar as much.


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