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Posted: Feb. 06 2017, 19:53

There is a picture that Mike shared about the titles of each of the sections after he was mostly done with RtO but before he started "polishing it". I haven't found any place yet that would list when each of the sections start. I thought it would be fun and it might also be interesting to identify them. This is what I came up with:

Part One:

00:00 WhistleInt
01:21 Tune 1
01:36 EthnicFlute 1
02:07 2 Spanish
02:44 Glock 1 Riff
03:15 Glok 2 Elec
03:46 Glok 3 Mandolins
04:46 EthnicFlute 2
05:31 Tune 1 *2GT
06:03 Not Happy
06:35 BIG Tune
08:19 Soft Tune
10:04 Bolero
11:02 Bolero Blues
11:53 Glok 3 Blues Guitar
12:23 WhistleMIX
12:53 Africa 1
13:09 CHANT 1
14:14 AF PIANO
14:53 AF QUIET
16:09 AF ACOUSTICS
16:26 AF BASS
16:41 AF GIBSON SOLO
18:48 CODA

Part Two:

00:00 INTRO
01:42 Spanish Tune Acoustic
02:13 Mandolins 1
02:43 Spanish Tune 2
03:14 Mandolins 2
03:45 High Bridge 1
04:15 Spanish Tune 3
04:46 High Bridge 2
05:17 Bodhrans
05:34 Fast Tune 1
06:09 Fast Tune Bridge 1
xx:xx Fast Tune 2
xx:xx Fast Tune Bridge 2
06:26 Fast Tune Boogie 1
06:58 Fast Tune Break
07:09 Grand Tune 1
07:43 Victory V 1
08:34 Victory V 2
09:43 Victory V 3
10:15 Reef Intro
10:47 REEF 1
11:02 BASS SOLO
11:33 HeavyFUZZ
12:34 FUZZ TUNE 2
13:12 AFRICA 2
14:08 Big WhistleTune
14:39 BWT END
15:10 END TUNE
17:07 CLIMAX ENDING
17:55 JIG
19:26 JIG 2

Some comments:
1. I think "Fast Tune 2" and "Fast Tune Bridge 2" have been removed from the final edit, it doesn't seem like the music follows the pattern of tune-bridge-tune-bridge-boogie there.
2. There are some seemingly counter-intuitive titles like the "Big WhistleTune" that doesn't have any clearly audible whistles. I guess this is because the whistles have been removed later from the mix in this section.
3. For Part 1, this later screenshot from Pro Tools is also helpful. It also reveals that the section roughly between 4:31 and 4:46 was added late in the process (after the screenshot was taken).


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Posted: Feb. 07 2017, 05:48

Quite agreed.

Indeed, I have a personal theory according to what Oldfield's music follows a pattern that looks like Filling > Crescendo > Filling > Crescendo > Filling > Sad Tune > Filling > Crescendo > Filling > Big Crescendo > Bonus or some similar combination of crescendos and sad tunes separated by fillings, ending with a big crescendo and some optional bonus.

I would say that the structure in this album, using your chart, is something like that:

PART I
filling 0.00
crescendo 2.44
filling 4.46
crescendo 6.35
sad tune 8.19
filling 10.04
crescendo 11.53
filling 12.23
big crescendo 14.14
bonus 18.48

PART II
filling 0.00
sad tune 2.43
filling 3.45
sad tune 4.15
filling 4.46
crescendo 5.34
filling 6.58
crescendo 7.43
filling 10.15
crescendo 11.02
filling 13.12
sad tune 15.10
crescendo 17.07
filling (though looks like a bonus) 17.55
big crescendo 18.55
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Posted: Feb. 28 2018, 03:26

In my opinion "Victory" is the most glorious melody Mike has ever written!
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Posted: Mar. 15 2019, 14:45

As I think I posted elsewhere on the forum, I interpreted the music following shortly after the "Victory" melody as describing a battle. I've just noticed that the main rhythm in this is da-da-da-dah, "V" in Morse code. Typical Mike brilliance.
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Posted: Mar. 19 2019, 02:36

Quote (nightspore @ Mar. 15 2019, 14:45)
As I think I posted elsewhere on the forum, I interpreted the music following shortly after the "Victory" melody as describing a battle. I've just noticed that the main rhythm in this is da-da-da-dah, "V" in Morse code. Typical Mike brilliance.

Also, the chant section on side 1 has the reverse rhythm dah-da-da-da, implying that the Victory is a response to and antithesis of what goes on during the chant. Clearly, it can't be anything pleasant, if victory over it is required. In Morse code,  dah-da-da-da represents the letter "B". In Greek, this is beta, which is a homophone of "beater". It would seem one or more people are being attacked in this narrative; they get their victory on side 2....

You could do a doctoral dissertation on this album alone...  :)
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Posted: Mar. 30 2019, 06:46

More Morse code. Around the 6 minute mark on side A there's the "HA-HA-HA   HA-HA-HA" bit that I've mentioned before. In Morse code this is O O. Put the O's together and you get ∞.
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Posted: April 03 2019, 08:32

Part Two is a bit off a write off for me. There's literally 2 minutes from about 15:20 that sound like the real Mike.
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Posted: April 04 2019, 02:46

A jig performed on horseback may be the real Mike but it certainly paints an unusual picture!  :p
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Posted: April 05 2019, 09:07

I stop before that starts. :O It is a pretty impressive 2 minutes I'm talking about tho. Uninhibited. Non formulaic.
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Posted: April 05 2019, 18:45

Do you want to tell Mike or shall I?  :laugh:
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Posted: April 14 2019, 05:50

I'll tell him when I see him.  :p  :D
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Posted: April 14 2019, 06:42

Remember he knows judo, so stand well back if you do!   :cool:
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Posted: April 16 2019, 05:00

I have listened to this album a lot since it was released, and I still love it, and fail to understand the issue some people have with it. I love the whole album, but if I had to choose, Part 2 would be my favourite.

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Posted: April 16 2019, 07:58

I agree, and I never get tired of the "Victory" section in particular.
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Posted: April 16 2019, 09:58

It makes me very glad that he still makes beautiful music.

This album is one of his most emotionally charged ones, isn't it?
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Posted: April 16 2019, 18:48

It certainly is emotionally charged, but there's also the sense that every melodic move is there for a reason. I'm inclined to make a comparison with Beethoven's symphonies, which similarly are emotionally charged and logically structured - but to my ears Beethoven often gets bogged down in sonata form. There's that beautiful melody in the first movement of the 7th symphony, for example, which - because of sonata form - we get to hear just once before Beethoven fiddles around with it and spoils it. I think it was in the liner notes of Boxed that Mike alludes to this sort of thing, where he says something along the lines of "there's nothing wrong with repetition, as long as what gets repeated is worth repeating".
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Posted: April 17 2019, 04:46

Yes indeed, that quote was about the more spartan version of Hergest Ridge on Boxed which is the version I adore.
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