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Posted: May 26 2003, 13:07

It's easy - who's playing drums on tubular bels 2003? - Mike!
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Posted: May 26 2003, 14:57

I didn't hear tb2003 yet :D
but my guess is that there's not many people who would not be able to play a drum synth :D heh


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Posted: May 26 2003, 17:14

Boss drumcomputer done by Mike.

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Posted: May 26 2003, 21:22

Humm....lol...I was thinking about real drums...that´s what I noticed..."it can´t be a drum machine!"

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Posted: May 27 2003, 05:43

hehe it's a long time where there was really noticeable difference between a drum computer and a real drummer :o) in the time when we have toys like Native Instruments Battery with 128 velocity layers for each drum in a set :D it's quite easy to use a drum computer instead of living drummer...and btw drumsynths are always a bit more acurate then living drummers :)

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Posted: May 27 2003, 06:58

Quote (BOOsTER @ May 27 2003, 12:43)
...and btw drumsynths are always a bit more acurate then living drummers :)

Which is why IMO one should use a real drummer. Kraftwerk's Florian Schneider might disagree, though.
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Posted: May 27 2003, 07:36

Having heard it now a few times, my impression is that a real drummer like Pierre Moerlen or Simon Philips (sp?) could have added some more 'drive' to it (especially the 'final finale' of part 1), which is now missing since the drums are too 'exact' - just MHO..
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Posted: May 27 2003, 07:42

well inacuracy of real drummer does sometimes give it a feel :D
yes I agree .


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Posted: May 27 2003, 13:05

Boss Dr Rhythm machines don't sound, as I'm aware, realistic enough to be confused with a real drummer.

Drum machines may be simple to use to a degree, but to get the performance to sound anything like a real drummer takes a lot of skill.

It's possible in Pro Tools (and I believe in other software too) to take the performance of a real drummer - like Edgar Broughton's from Tubular Bells - and use that to trigger new samples (using the Sound Replacer plugin). The recording can be quantised at the same time.
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Posted: May 28 2003, 07:00

I never understand, all this effort, all this technology, just get a real person???

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Posted: May 28 2003, 07:35

Actually, though I'm a fan of having musicians play live parts on real instruments, I can see why someone would do it another way.

If your studio isn't set up for recording drums, it's a real pain, as space has to be found for the drums in a place where the acoustics are good for recording them, then the drummer has to come in and set up the drums and then tune them, which can take a long time. There's then the process of setting up the microphones to get a good sound, and working with the drummer until he/she gives a good take.
Of course, some of the setup time can be eliminated by using something like V Drums instead of acoustic ones, but I'd question whether there's really much 'ethical' difference between that and triggering the parts from an audio recording - both are a real drummer triggering electronic sounds, just in a different way.
In Mike's case, I think it comes down to control - he has a lot more control over an electronic source than over another musician. It therefore takes him much less time to get what he wants (and he also has to pay less for it), and seemingly feels happier with it in the end.
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Posted: May 28 2003, 14:41

Yes, the Boss Dr. Rythm isn't realistic enough to sound. I noticed it right away when I heard "caveman". I was a bit dissapointed, because real drummers just give that extra "feeling".

Korgscrew ---> The band of my brother recorded their demo with triggered drum sounds (because of lack of time) but I think it sounds awful.


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Posted: May 28 2003, 15:15

Mmm, it can do...you have to be very, very, very skillful to get it to sound like an acoustic kit (but a badly recorded acoustic kit can sound worse than a mediochre set of samples...). I don't personally think it matters how it's been done as long as it sounds good, though I think it's a shame when the human aspect of making music is removed completely and replaced with virtual simulations.
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Posted: May 28 2003, 15:20

well even with a simulation you need the human aspect to create the velocities and dynamics of the drums so I think there's always the human aspect and a special kind of feel in the simulations :)

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Posted: May 28 2003, 15:23

Quote (BOOsTER @ May 28 2003, 15:20)
well even with a simulation you need the human aspect to create the velocities and dynamics of the drums so I think there's always the human aspect and a special kind of feel in the simulations :)

Good point.
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Posted: May 28 2003, 15:31

I always wanted to buy a drumcomputer. Thing is, which one? I hear a lot of drumcomputers with their techno and dance sounds; I want some rock drums in it.

I tried the Korg Electribe. Sounds good but too much techno stuff. Or not?


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Posted: May 28 2003, 16:21

I would not go for a hardware drum computer I would try the Native Instruments' Battery first I know that a lot musicians use it and it's really good having a lot of velocity layers in each preset and there's a lot of new presets around the net ;)

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Posted: May 28 2003, 16:32

Yeah, but I like the hardware stuff!!!!!!!!!!!  :p

And besides, if I want to go live and couldn't find a drummer? I don't want to drag computers on the stage.


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Posted: May 28 2003, 16:36

hihi I always go to stage with one workstation and a laptop ;)
it depends on the things like price of the hardware stuff and battery...

if you decide for hardware stuff I can't really help you with choosing the best one you better ask korgie for that ;)


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Posted: May 29 2003, 10:02

Really? ;) And what do people think of you then if they see you with just one workstation and laptop?

I always love to have this big racks of synthesizers and such.


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