Joined: Mar. 2011
||Posted: Aug. 15 2011, 11:30
In reply to the above replies in reverse order. Thank you NIGHTSPORE for your positive outlook I had almost lost hope in finding anyone who could give a carefully considered response.
[Nightspore QUOTE] "The point would seem to be that if this solution isn't correct, what is the right solution?".
If I am right in my understanding of your above reply you are saying that you believe my ANSWER to be the logical conclusion to this riddle, and implying that if it is not as I state, what else could the answer be?. This is exactly what I am asking every one here to consider along with what can be deduced from this hidden message.
Why would MO encode "I C 1 GOD OO ID I I into Ommadawn? the first part speaks for its self, yet the OO (or 00) ID (or "id") "I" "I" meaning is far harder to interoperate if you lack in knowledge of the true meanings of the "I" as the 1 the sIngular! etc, the ID or "id" as the centre self/being & the two "O" "O" these are the area that I/we are stiII dIvIded on/or unsure of, as previously stated they could be of spiritual nature i.e. as in "O" in holy or GOD, which is the letter at the centre/heart of our Lord GOD, this letter is in its self a visual image & representation of a hOle, just as is the zer"0" GOD & zer"0" have a pure connection which is that they are both invisible to the eye, you cannot see GOD just as you cannot see n0thing these two things exist only in the mInD. So thank you again for your astute and eloquent reply Nightspore.
Milamber I have tried to find information on the laws you used to extract a meaning of [No Catch R I1's Ego] from Ugo Rino Coppola name parts, but if you apply the same standard pattern that I/we used to find the [I C 1 GOD OO ID II ], you get very little from ugO rInO cOppOIa, just O I O OOI, there are no wheels just 4 bOttles , 2 eyes & 3 legs,(JUST A POINT! remember how MO likes cart wheels!.
An important poInt here is that we did not go looking to find this answer, i.e. in other words we looked for a standard logically used formula then applied it and revealed the message, then took the same formulae and applied it to all the names I could think of with approximate length in letters to M.G.O and I could only find garbage answers, by this I am not saying this answer will not be found to come from some other peoples names, of course it will, or will it? I would suggest you all go and try it for yourselves I think your be amazed!.
A very interesting thing that Milamber bought up in his reply was the issue of EGO which lead me to go & refresh my understanding of its possible meanings/uses it is a very loosely used word that carries many alternative meanings, its origin is in Greek & Latin here it holds the meaning of the "I" but also has been given over to many other distinctions I will leave this for anyone interested to look at for themselves, if you do I would spend time looking at its connection to the "id" it's not hard to find, a simple Google of the word ego & all should be revealed!.
In ending my reply to your post Milamber I must say I/we are some what bemused by the the intricate nature of what you have written and as stated above could find no knowledge of the laws/reasonings you applied in order to come to your conclusion but if I am right in thinking your intension was to point out how easy it is to use a whole bag full of various decryption formulas in order to arrive at the one answer you set out to find then yes this was an excellent example of it.
Lastly in reply to Ugo in order to clarify certain points not fully highlighted in my previous reply I wish to cover them now for all to see. Firstly Ugo regarding you saying that you were worried about my getting cross, this could not be further from the truth I am delighted that you took time to read this topic however I/we are saddened by your not seeing its significance straight away but I can as stated in my reply above to you, now try to explain further the reasons behind our coming to reaching the answer given, so please do not think I will be annoyed by your not being able to comprehend our answer, by what you have written you have given us the valuable clue that in order to make this understood by the all we must try to think more carefully about how we present our findings, especially for those whose first language is not English or even if it is, one would still require a British upbringing in a well rounded environment in order to fully understand how this lost versions lyrics are played out as not nonsense but a riddle, a quiz of the mind! so please with the information I have now supplied you reconsider what you find.
I see many times Ugo that you write that you feel MO is a man of nonsense and what I would like for you to glean from this is that this may not be the case, he in his lyrics (and if you look very very carefully you will also see in his visuals) does indeed carry a bag of secrets. Further more in his music are secret meanings which Mike hates to be asked about, he will laugh off all awkward questions & as everyone close to him knows he cannot abide the word "WHY". So whilst music may be the universal language, food of the Gods & to MO a musical instrument has a voice, in fact I can remember him saying he likes to make them speak.
When one adds the voice/sound of humans to instrumental music, unless it is done very carefully it becomes a limiting factor as it would restrict the music's appeal to only those who speak its tongue, so MO uses tongues of old ancient and obscure languages in many albums/songs sometimes I think he even uses words in a distant tongue just for their sound in English & maybe other languages unknown to me, perhaps to you or others reading this post. Because for MO its all about the sound first but I as previously mentioned do not think that he ever gives up on his message or would create nonsense, there is always a hidden meaning in the deep deep sound to be found if you look! and by George one has to look hard to find it! Ugo have you found 1T?. (Well that's a whole other story to one day tell.)
To clarify a minor point to people who maybe trying to identify what I/we are referring to as the lost version it's a set of lyrics that were recorded on (I think I am right in saying) the demo disc back in the days prior to the original being released which are hopefully available via the above link in my first post or included on a disc in the latest reworking of the album, I should also like to point out that the part in question is not at the end but closer to the middle and ends about 2 thirds of the way through.
Ugo why are you so convinced you are right in stating there are no HIDDEN OR VISiBLE meanings that you feel its all just nonsense meant as a joke? you go on to state that M.G.O. is only a name & make the very odd connection to your own name well I am sorry I found this a peculiar argument to place in opposition as a reason to reject or refute my/our answer. This to us was highly illogical and a rather bemusing argument as the fact is and not meaning to sound rude but your name just as any other beings name in the whole universe do not come close to this unless on some distant planet there is another Michael Gordon Oldfield who happens to have exactly the same set of circumstances surrounding their life, no sorry Ugo the point is this it is MO who created this lyrical riddle he encoded & recorded it and I did not analyze his name I just deciphered the riddle that he encoded in his name.
This stated I am surprised it has not already been deciphered as the lyrics appear to have been in the public domain for over a year now and although I took a brief glance at them a couple of months back, then I initially had little comprehension of their being truly accredited to MO, I too took them to be complete and utter nonsense yet when finding they were indeed of Mikes making I pondered them in greater depth and as we say in blighty (the UK) bobs your uncle! out it popped, a truly masterful bit of confusion first in order to distract the cloth eared and right at the end the clues emerge and finishes with the undeniable confirmation line that would only make sense if you had worked out the real answer prior to the last couple of lines.
Ending Ugos reply; by just saying I could not agree more to what he wrote here ["indeed, I think that trying to find a symbolic meaning inside an ordinary name is completely and utterly pointless."] BUT MUST FINISH BY STATING! but it is not just an ordinary name is it? its the person who made the riddle
and thus if I had used the name Ugo Rino Coppola to find a meaning NOW THAT WOULD OF BEEN STRANGE!.
I thought I was at the end of my rather lengthy reply to those who have been good/kind enough to add their replies above yet I now see that another has chosen to grace us with their presence & leave their mark of wisdom with us for all to behold, so I should like to thank them also for their highly intellectual input most informative I am sure kindly sir/s (a title as bestowed to one by others yet never self acquired).
CJJC my main hope for you is that you will find peace & happiness whoever & where ever you are.
Well you'll be pleased to know that is 1T 4 now.
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