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HR lover Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Sep. 2010 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 07:30 I've been thinking lately and I've had this wonderful idea. Don't we have 1600 active members here? Well I was thinking about fundraising money for a Mike Oldfield statue. I'm not sure what the cost is of a statue but I don't think it'll be more than 10k. The only problem I can think of, is whether any city will let us erect a statue in their city. Therefore I would seem it most apt to put the statue in Hergest Ridge. If we'd all chip in just a few pounds, dollars or euros I don't see why this couldn't work. -------------- Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 08:17 It wouldn't work because I think very few people would be willing to be seeing a statue of Mike Oldfield. I don't think that his physical appearance is so well-known, especially in a place like Hergest Ridge. If there was a statue of him right there, people would always be asking who is that and why did they erect a statue of him. I think his music and his symbology is much better known than his own appearance. A giant, humongous Tubular Bell would work much better, IMHO, as a monument to Mike. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

HR lover Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Sep. 2010 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 08:28 I think you're right Ugo. Nothing is definite I like your idea let's make it a giant Tubular Bells. If we can find the right guy to do the job why not? -------------- Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 08:38 I think that such a monument would cost no less than 1 million euros in materials alone - without counting the artist's fee. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

HR lover Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Sep. 2010 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 08:44 I have no idea. and if it will cost so much maybe we'll make it a regular sized Tubular Bells instead of a giant one. A million seems kinda a lot if you'd ask me. But we'd have to find some kind of sculptor and ask him what the cost might be. Does anyone know a good sculptor? Maybe if you're related you get a discount   -------------- Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 08:49 I have just been talking to a family from Reading in the UK and I mentioned to them Mike O and they said oh yes he is our claim to fame so the council there may be of help. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR IDEA. I think its a very noble one!! I1. -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

Tati The Sentinel Group: Members Posts: 3360 Joined: Feb. 2002 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 16:34 Last Saturday I was in Reading once again,another city break moment.He definitely deserves some tributes in his hometown...not sure if locals do remember about Mike,lol Battle Hospital (where MO was born) doesn't exist anymore,just the main entrance on Oxford Road,which leads to a housing estate.There's a massive Tesco on the site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_Hospital The houses that the Oldfields used to live there should have later these plaques from the local council like, "Mike Oldfield(musician) used to live here". -------------- "But it's always the outsider, the black sheep, that becomes the blockbuster." - Mike Oldfield, 2014 "I remember feeling that I'd been judged unfairly and that I was going to prove them wrong." - Peter Davison, 2011 Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Aug. 16 2011, 23:42 I'd love to see an actual, real-life version of the statue from Maestro in some picturesque location. Back to top

HR lover Group: Members Posts: 548 Joined: Sep. 2010 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 14:09 Firstly, what material would resemble most the original cover of Tubular Bells? Second, I just got an idea Maybe we can put the statue on that place by the sea where the cover shot was taken. third, where was the cover shot taken? and last but not least, I think the whole structure will need some supporting beams, to keep it upright which will probably look ugly. If someone can tell me what material would most closely resemble the Tubular Bells, I might make an approximation of the building costs. -------------- Neither a borrower nor a lender be, For loan oft loses both itself and friend, And borrowing dulls the edge of husbandry. Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 16:21 I'd say Stainless Steel HR   Tubular Steel Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 18:00 Brighton beach!  but I am only working from a distant memory! The council are very cosmopolitan when it comes to most things there, they opened an official public nudist beach there years ago & its a big music scene with links to the unusual. The town has many statues old & new I THINK THEY MIGHT LOVE THE IDEA!!!. How big? BIG! R U THINKING? really loud 4 its bound to be struck/played if placed on the playa (beach in Spanish). Could it be made to ring out that first note, maybe even 3 notes! or MOre. As far as the material is concerned I would say that due to the close proximity to the corrosive elements of the sea a surgical grade stainless steel may be required, or at least a high grade industrial catering standard, in order to prevent unsightly rust. The mounting 4 the BELL, has anyone considered how it might be installed, I would like to suggest it may work better if suspended/hung from an M or Π (pi) shaped frame, then it would ring true. -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 18:44 @ eye-one: if the bell is heavy (and I think a giant bell made of steel will most probably be heavy) it cannot be hung from anywhere, because then the structure from which it is hung has to be much heavier than the bell, otherwise the bell will drag it to the ground. And a heavy structure is bound to look ugly. Also, if the sculpture is made in the shape of a Bent Bell as pictured on the cover of TB, it won't emit any notes... a tubular bell has to be perfectly straight to emit a note, however tuneful or tuneless, while Mike's Tubular Bell is deliberately bent into that peculiar shape, thus making it just an artistic object and not a musical instrument any longer. And I don't think it should be placed on the Ibiza beach or in any other place with lots and lots of tourists, because IMHO it should be a monument, like Freddie Mercury's statue in Montreaux, rather than something to be struck and/or played (with). I honestly can't imagine people in Montreaux approaching the Freddie statue and singing into his microphone. @ HR lover: the impossible triangle sculpture in Perth is supported by a single pole which at least to me doesn't look ugly and, in its completed construction (third image here), it has more or less the same size of what I'm imagining the Tubular Bell sculpture should probably have. @ nightspore: the apperance of the Maestro statue, and its link to Mike Oldfield, are known only by Maestro players, which are (I think) much less than the people who are familiar with (or care about) Mike's physical appearance. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 19:19 Ugo I am an engineer by trade so I must refute your suggestion that a hollow tube 4 in shape hung from a pair of short linked heavy grade chain links would be impossibly overwhelming as the load would be placed at each end of the frame.  An "A" frame might be more appropriate as it would easily Be ABELL (able) 2 carry the load. Please also note it would be better suited mounted this way as it would appear as it does on the cover, to be floating in mid air & it would be better from a photographic point of view that people could have their photos taken standing under it. Regarding sound/tonal qualities I have very little knowledge in this field I am not a sound engineer, I make the tools to build the instruments, rockets, satellites, airplanes, cars etc, so I have virtually no idea what notes would come from such a structure. It, if this happens will be very interesting to find out! but of course it must be hOllOw at both ends & throughout in order 4 the sound to resonate & travel out. -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 19:31 @ eye-one: I understand you perfectly, but I still think it would look better on a pole. [Did you check out the impossible triangle images I linked above? They look wonderful!] I'm also convinced that whatever sound such a bent structure may be able to make (even if it's hollow) would be horrendously non-melodious. @ nightspore: what do you think? Would a Perth-Impossible-Triangle-sized Bent Bell look good on a pole? Or should it be hung? -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 19:35 Ugo BRIGHTON is a sea side town on the south coast of England not Ibiza, its the closest large resort on the coast to where MO recorded the album & if memory serves me right it is where Mike said the background waves were photographed. Thus if this is so I feel failing reaching an agreement to have it placed in his home town of Reading as already suggested would be a good place, I do feel that the other members suggestion of getting it placed in the situation it was first placed would be very fitting, do you not?. -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 19:41 @ eye-one: sorry about the mistake - you mentioned the playa, and playa makes me think of Ibiza. However, I don't like this. People go to the beach, in Brighton and anywhere else, to watch the sea, to feel the sea breeze and to walk and sunbathe on the beach. IMHO a huge sculpture placed on the beach would look absolutely horrible, as it would break the horizon line. [Again, I don't think it should be used as a tourist attraction.] The photo on the TB cover looks great because the Bent Bell hovers above the horizon. It would be great if they could make a very high frame from which to hang the Bent Bell (so it looks like it's actually hovering), but I'm not sure whether a very high structure is practical, both from a logistic and a financial point of view. You know what is my biggest fear about this thread? It's that this thread, which has started in a very promising and serious way, will end up like various other threads here on these forums, i.e. just a long collection of useless absurdities. Anyway, paradoxically, I do like it when threads on tubular.net degenerate like that. I just hope this doesn't happen too soon, here. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

0+1(I1) Group: Members Posts: 418 Joined: Mar. 2011 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 19:56 Yes Ugo I did look at your link ((myhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/38/Perth_Impossible_Triangle.jpg)) , I just did not wish to comment, however as you are pressing me, have you thought what this would look like? to the minds eye it would detract from the shape of the bell, it would look as if the bell was peg legged ___ \  /  \/  /l\ / l \     l Sorry best I could do! but I hope you get the idea! -------------- L◎ST ◎MMADAWN VERSI◎N RIDDLE ANSWER  mIChaeI GOrDOn OIDfIeId. =  I C   1  G◎D   OO ID I I or replace the L's that were turned in to I's & 1 gets ID◎L G◎LD ID◎L (4 ANSWER IN FULL + EXPLANATION, C ALBUM SECTION/☮MMADAWN/i-say-i-say-i-say-i-say-in-answer4XXX4Acr⊕ss Back to top

nightspore Group: Members Posts: 4770 Joined: Mar. 2008 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 20:00 Quote (Ugo @ Aug. 17 2011, 18:44) @ HR lover: the impossible triangle sculpture in Perth is supported by a single pole which at least to me doesn't look ugly and, in its completed construction (third image here), it has more or less the same size of what I'm imagining the Tubular Bell sculpture should probably have. @ nightspore: the apperance of the Maestro statue, and its link to Mike Oldfield, are known only by Maestro players, which are (I think) much less than the people who are familiar with (or care about) Mike's physical appearance. I know, Ugo. It was purely a whim. It will be interesting to see whether, if viewed from a certain angle, the TB structure indeed resembles the Escher triangle. I think a pole would be better than a suspension arrangement - it's not obtrusive on the WA one. I can see that a frame would have some advantages, but it also might distract attention away from the sculpture itself. And there's no such frame on the album cover. Back to top

Ugo Group: Members Posts: 5495 Joined: April 2000 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 20:10 Quote (0 @ 1(I1)+Aug. 18 2011, 01:56) [...] it would look as if the bell was peg legged [...] If the pole was properly placed (and, like the one in the pic, much less brighter and less highlighted than the main sculpture), I don't think it would. You are very much right, however, in saying that a two-dimensional drawing (and one made just with dashes) does not fully render your idea. But surely you, as an engineer, have the capability to do a fully-rendered, three-dimensional drawing. There's no hurry in doing this, you may take all the time you need. @ nightspore: the Bent Bell would never look like Penrose's (rather than Escher's) triangle because it's not an open shape, and its lower ends form a cross with each other. I think a solid structure has to be open, at least in part, to form an impossible image - like the other well-known one, the Necker Cube. Maybe it would be great if the Bent Bell was built out of two or three separate parts which look horrible and meaningless by themselves, but which magically combine into the Bent Bell shape when seen from a certain angle. As for the original album cover, well, that's surrealistically impossible in itself, as the Bent Bell hovers. -------------- Ugo C. - a devoted Amarokian Back to top

Milamber Group: Musicians Posts: 2275 Joined: Feb. 2010 Posted: Aug. 17 2011, 20:35 The main problem would be copyright on the bell shape. No artist would attempt it without permission and permission costs $$$ However mounted from the lowest part of the bell would work if it was made with PVC and coated in a marine metallic spray finish. Back to top

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